--- Ranko Bijelonic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would not call it persnickety, although there is no immediate problem. > My > concern is that there is a lot of duplication of funtionality (if there > is). > If form handling equal to that of Struts was added to the Servlet > specification (for example by providing a standard implementation of a > Filter to do so given a configuration in web.xml), would it then be > equivalent to Sturts?
The fact is that the Servlet spec does not provide equivalent features to Struts. Struts wouldn't exist if the Servlet spec already had everything web developers needed. > > Basically, it seems to me that much of the framework that Struts > provides is > already provided by the Servlet specification. No, Struts provides a higher level framework for creating webapps that the Servlet spec does not address. JSF does provide a standardized framework comparable to Struts but it isn't finalized yet. > If the energy used to > develop Struts was used to make JCP somehow make these ease of > programing > changes that are missing, would we end up with a much better, cleaner, > and > simpler framework? JSF is, in many ways, a standardized version of Struts. However, they're not exactly the same and can be used together. David > > Or am I completely off here and the MVC framework provided by the > container > is really not the same as the one provided by Struts. Again, its a > general > question, I have no pressing need that needs to be addressed. Thanks. > > ranko > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:49 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet > container? > > > for my $0.02. > > Using just pure servlet and base JSP, dealing with forms is not > intuitive > or clean. You either rely on too much code in a JSP, or too much > reading > and parsing at the start of your servlets. And, the development cycle > increases as your changes increase. I find the Struts mode to be clean > and > simple. Need to change a field, add a field. Change one class (the > ActionForm, or not at all with a dynaform), modify the .jsp > presentation. > And then account for the field change in the business logic. Combine it > with XDoclet, and you've got immediate Data/Value Objects that can be > generated from the ActionForm itself, ready to be passed back to your > EJB > level code (using CMP, you never have to account for the field in the > logic, > unless you're doing business level decisions). > The mechanisms in place for detailing messages back to the user (ie, > ActionErrors) are very clean, easly integrated with field-specific > messages. > Seamless integration with Java's i18n functionality. > > >> I'm looking for the reasons why this would not be the case. > > Are you looking for where using the base Sevlet layer is more > advantageous > over using Struts? Or, are you looking for areas that Struts just > doesn't > handle, leaving a gaping hole? Are you being persnickity, or is there > a > serious question/concern ? > > From: "Ranko Bijelonic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet > container? > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:38:22 -0400 > > > Yes Struts does definitely solve many problems and make it easier. But > is > seems that it solves a lot of problems that are already solved. I'm > looking > for the reasons why this would not be the case. Thanks for the help, > > ranko > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandeep Takhar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 11:21 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: Struts MVC framework similar to that of a servlet > container? > > > I guess the main difference between what you mention > and struts is that you can use this stuff right away > for the app you want to build without modification. > > As long as you understand the concepts you can apply > them. Similar to how you understand a servlet/filter > spec. Now you have common problems solved. > > You don't have to code them or copy and paste from > somewhere. > > You also have the ability to auto-populate to lists > which is pretty neat. > > sandeep > --- Ranko Bijelonic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > there's a lot of stuff it gives you out of the > > box. > > > > > 1. solid code > > so does the container i guess. > > > > >2. validation framework > > This is one of those changes that could be added by > > way of utility classes. > > Have that Filter that autopopulates, check for > > correct types like Struts. > > > > >3. tile framework > > You can use it without Struts > > > > > 4. auto-population framework > > It should be easy to add a Filter that autopopulates > > a configured form (not > > every time but as a standard). > > > > > 5. role based actions > > I'm not sure what this is. > > > > >6. xml configuration of all the links or actions of > > your application > > So does web.xml i guess. > > > > >7. best practices framework bundling (scaffolding) > > complete with examples (many years of experience > > went > > into this one). > > Same thing as above. There are tutorials, examples, > > etc... > > > > > > > 8. ease of use > > If you think of a Servlet as an Action its kind of > > as easy. Except for some > > repetative tasks that I would include to complete > > the servlet spec (rather > > than rewrite some of the container functionality to > > add those utils). > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:42 AM > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: Re: Struts MVC framework similar to that of > > a servlet > > container? > > > > > > > > Sandeep, > > You mentioned role based actions in your list... > > which has caught my eye. > > Can you please elaborate on this ? Or point me to > > some documentation ? > > > > thanks > > -raj > > > > > > > > > > "Sandeep Takhar" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: > > "Struts Users > > Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ahoo.com> cc: > > > > Subject: Re: Struts MVC > > framework similar to that of a servlet container? > > 21/07/2003 06:08 > > PM > > Please respond to > > "Struts Users > > Mailing List" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's a lot of stuff it gives you out of the box. > > > > 1. solid code > > 2. validation framework > > 3. tile framework > > 4. auto-population framework > > 5. role based actions > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
