Dear Frank, You pose two questions:
1. How do you lay out Babylonian and Italian hour-lines? 2. Why use dubious definitions of sunrise and sunset? I attend to the dubious definitions below but let's live with them for a moment. BABYLONIAN AND ITALIAN HOUR-LINES Let B = Babylonian = Hours since sunrise Let I = Italian = Hours since sunset Let F = French = 'normal' local sun time At an equinox you can trivially convert B or I to F: F = B + 6 F = I - 6 Checks: At sunrise B = 0 F = 6 I = 12 At noon B = 6 F =12 I = 18 At sunset B =12 F =18 I = 24 When the solar declination is not zero the conversions are modified slightly: F = B + 6 - xd F = I - 6 + xd Here xd is the amount of extra dawn or extra dusk compared with an equinox. If sunrise is at 5 [local sun time] then xd = 1. Expressed as an hour-angle: sin(xd) = tan(dec).tan(latitude) Of course, xd is negative when dec < 0. All I did was to set up a spreadsheet and for each Babylonian hour I chose five declinations and worked out the equivalent French hours. That gave me five hour-angles and declinations which I translated into (X,Y) points on the slate. I checked that the straight line of best fit through the five points didn't miss any by more than 0.5mm and drew the line. Job done. Well, job nearly done... When you are cutting slate by hand, you lose the line the instant you make the first cut! Accordingly, you actually draw THREE lines: the middle one and one on either side. You then make a vee-cut between the two outer lines and accept that you lose the middle one. Where possible, the five declinations I choose were +/- eps0, +/- 12 and 0. Many of the lines went out of reach at the solstices so I chose smaller declinations in such cases. SUNRISE AND SUNSET You say (correctly): ... the assumption seems to be made that sunrise and sunset occurs when the altitude of the sun's centre is zero. This is far from sunset in any practical sense. I certainly won't disagree. Like industry standards, the great thing about definitions of sunrise and sunset is that there are so many of them! If you are unfortunate enough to have to measure the sun's altitude with a sextant when the sun is low, you have to make all kinds of tedious corrections... If you are really doing the job properly you have to allow for your height above sea level and refraction. You therefore have to allow for temperature, pressure and humidity and, probably, allow for pollutants too. All this would make it hard to deal with even a simple conventional horizontal sundial. The 6-6 lines run west to east but the sun is (apparently) due east detectably before 6am on occasions: when the declination is small and negative. You can't win! My understanding is that Babylonian and Italian hours came in AFTER the advent of mechanical clocks when (of mechanical necessity) equal hours took over from unequal hours. With an equal-hours instrument you needed a reference point to start and end the 24-hour period. There are four obvious choices: Midnight, Noon, Sunrise, Sunset [Aside: there is a fifth utterly insane choice which is 'one hour before midnight' and, curiously, that is the one which is chosen for most of the civilised world at the moment. Grrrrh!] If you want to set a clock, midnight is not a good time to do it by the sun. Noon IS a good time but it is not easy to estimate noon if it is cloudy and raining. Sunrise and sunset can be estimated approximately (within 30 minutes) even in the foulest of weather conditions. This made these times attractive as references on early clocks (which didn't keep very good time). It was common in Italy to deem sunset to be half an hour after dark when the Ave Maria Office would be said. Some Italian Hours sundials are marked out in this way with the crossing points on the equinoctial line displaced half an hour. With that kind of history, I don't feel unhappy about using a simple geometric definition of sunrise and sunset. You will now make a note to keep me well away from the Navigation Officer's chart table! All the best Frank --------------------------------------------------- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial