On 06/29/2010 06:51 PM, Rick Merrill wrote: > Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >> JeffM wrote: >> >>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>>> I would praise any browser that coped well with coding errors. >>>> >>> ...except that's not what's happening with Internet Exploder. >> >> It's /part/ of what's happening with IE, but you're choosing to ignore >> it so you can focus on W3C compliance. Both phenomena are occurring. >> >>>> I don't see how "breaking the Net" serves them. If the Net fails, >>>> how will people use their browser? >>>> >>> Simple. They made sure the remaining shards fit *their* junk. You >>> have to understand that M$ sees the world as a demolition derby where >>> there can be only one winner. >> >> I suppose. But the last time I checked, they were steadily losing market >> share, so I'm not worried. >> >>>> I was talking about how browsers cope with coding errors. >>>> >>> ...in the same way that motorcycles "cope" with brick walls in the >>> middle of the road. They're not supposed to be there. If you start >>> with a valid premise, the answers are simple. >> >> A reasonable motorcycle driver will choose not to hit the wall, even >> though it's not supposed to be there. How crazy would it be for a driver >> to drive straight into the wall and be seriously injured because it >> shouldn't be there? >> >>>> If your browser punishes the user for those errors by denying >>>> access to the content, it isn't serving the user, >>>> >>> ...and if your motorcycle ran off the road and slammed into a wall >>> because the bozos that built the bike did that wrong, you'd sue them >>> for everything they were worth. >> >> What does that have to do with the price of beans? A poorly coded >> website isn't a product liability issue for me as a visitor. >> >>> I hate sloppy work and I don't think much of apologists for sloppy >>> work. >> >> There you go again. I'm not apologizing for sloppy work. But I suppose >> you've heard so many people do it that you imagine it even when it's not >> said. >> >>>> There are certain websites that I need to use on a regular basis, >>>> and they only display in Internet Exploiter. >>>> >>> ...then **USE** IE. >>> ...or find another vendor. >> >> There is no "other vendor" for this data. These are public-records >> websites operated by government agencies, so I have two choices: I can >> use IE or I can do without the data. You seem to want me to fail in my >> job in order to make a quixotic statement about W3C compliance. No, thanks. >> >>> You seem to have a problem with the concept of "ground rules". >>> <http://google.com/search?q=define:ground-rules> >> >> I understand the term perfectly. What I don't understand is why you feel >> the need to beat me over the head for making a reasonable effort to cope >> with the real world as it exists. It isn't my job or my mission in life >> to prowl the Web looking for noncompliant sites and then notify their >> webmasters that I won't be back. YMMV. >> >>>>> [...]ignorant people[...] >>>>> >>>> [...]when a webmaster inadvertently makes a coding error >>>> >>> If he was doing his job **properly**, >>> he would have **validated** his code. >>> If his employer had been doing HIS job properly, >>> HE would have spotted any validation errors >>> -- and the guy making the mistakes wouldn't have gotten paid. >> >> As a visitor to such a site, I don't give a $#!+ about all that. I want >> to view the content, and if my browser lets me, fine. >> >>> In a world where money has become the end-all and be-all, >>> the answer is quite obvious. >>> DON'T PAY FOR POOR PERFORMANCE. >> >> Who's paying? I'm not. >> >>> ...and stop patronizing those with bad business models. >>> ...and let them KNOW you are going elsewhere--and WHY. >> >> Who's paying? I'm not. >> > > Well said, Sir Gallagher! > >
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