@Dave Malham, I guess when talking about "loudspeaker orchestras" meant Francois Bayle's version forward, but interesting point about the fact that it may have been technical limitations that dictated the approach, rather than it stemming from some aesthetic decision, but, wouldn't most composers working with fixed media (tape music), from the mid-late 60s on, have been working in studios that were producing for stereo reception? (ignoring the few that had been experimenting with quad for a moment) So perhaps it had more to do with widely available playback formats, rather than amp configurations? I've heard a similar technology explanation used for explaining why we ended up with octophony as kind of a standard format - within the electroaocustic scene - which was further reinforced in the early 90s by the emergence of the ADAT recorder, what's your take on this, based on what you saw happen?
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Dave Malham <dave.mal...@york.ac.uk> wrote: > I don't think I would entirely agree that loudspeaker orchestras were all > "originally intended for diffusing stereo works". Mostly, yes indeed they > were, but particularly in the earlier days (1950's or before) the sources > were mostly mono (Pierre Schaeffer) or crudely linked (like the multiple > optical recorders used for Disney's Fantasia) multichannel. I think there > is something in the "stereo" thing but it's simpler than appearance of > loudspeaker orchestra diffusion or potentiometre d'espace based > systems (Jacques > Poullin) or whatever, it's just that by the 1960's stereo amplifiers were > widely available and many of us used bunches of them rather than double > the number of mono units (one Quad 303 in place of two Quad II valve amps, > in my case at York). This leads almost automatically to going left-right, > left-right, left-right, left-right from front to back. > > Dave > > > On 18 November 2016 at 16:24, Phi Shu <phi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > and that's probably why there is no "standard," all the well known large > > arrays use proprietary systems. > > > > In contrast, so called loudspeaker orchestras - originally intended for > > diffusing stereo works - tend to apply the rationale of having multiple > > stereo pairs - mapped directly to individual faders - and I would guess > > it's for this reason that the numbering is as such in the second numbered > > sequence you posted; because an acousmatic composer who composes an > > octophonc work for that set-up can more easily present it, or even > diffuse > > it, in a setting that uses multiple speaker pairs. > > > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:54 AM, Augustine Leudar < > > augustineleu...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > > > Not really Gerard - there's plenty of techniques on spatial audio that > > dont > > > use decoders and have nothing to do with ambisonics. > > > > > > On 18 November 2016 at 00:46, Gerard Lardner <glard...@iol.ie> wrote: > > > > > > > Surely it must depend on the convention used in your decoder > software. > > > For > > > > example, Harpex-B uses > > > > > > > > 1 8 > > > > 2 7 > > > > 3 6 > > > > 4 5 > > > > > > > > for an 8-speaker horizontal ring, or > > > > > > > > 1 6 > > > > 2 5 > > > > 3 4 > > > > > > > > for a 6-speaker ring, but VVMic uses > > > > > > > > 1 2 > > > > 3 4 > > > > 5 6 > > > > > > > > Gerard Lardner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/11/2016 22:12, Augustine Leudar wrote: > > > > > > > >> How do you number you arrays - there seems to be two ways I've come > > > >> across.. Using the example of an octophonic array > > > >> The first way seems to be circular : > > > >> > > > >> 1 2 > > > >> 8 3 > > > >> 7 4 > > > >> 6 5 > > > >> > > > >> The other way is as follows : > > > >> > > > >> 1 2 > > > >> 3 4 > > > >> 5 6 > > > >> 7 8 > > > >> > > > >> There doesnt seem to be an standard way of doing this - I was > curious > > as > > > >> to > > > >> how other sursounders number their speakers ? > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachme > > > > nts/20161118/32efde5d/attachment.html> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sursound mailing list > > > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe > > here, > > > > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Augustine Leudar > > > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > > > Company Number : NI635217 > > > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > > > Belfast BT88LL > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > > > attachments/20161118/7ad82a29/attachment.html> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sursound mailing list > > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe > here, > > > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > > attachments/20161118/a0831c5a/attachment.html> > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > > > > > -- > > As of 1st October 2012, I have retired from the University. > > These are my own views and may or may not be shared by the University > > Dave Malham > Honorary Fellow, Department of Music > The University of York > York YO10 5DD > UK > > 'Ambisonics - Component Imaging for Audio' > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > attachments/20161119/bb1742dc/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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