> > "Artists electing to do a PhD is a relatively recent phenomenon, there was > a time when an MFA was as far as most went, and before that a degree > sufficed." > > Which kind of makes my point .
arguably, rather than being driven by the academicisation of creative practice, this reflects changes in cultural labor markets and the emergence of a growth industry we know as the "qualifications market." The wholesale corporatisation of third level education has played a role. "PhD is simply your license to do research in an academic institution" > > This is what a PhD may mean to you - but it is not the objective definition > of a PhD and many people will hold a different view yes, totally subjective, although it's what I believe it has become rather than what I believe it should be. I guess the cynicism here stems from witnessing a place become part of the Russell Group, everything was very quickly reduced to a box ticking exercise; and that's what my PhD felt by the end. I will inform her to issue all future > applicants with coloring books. they can start with this one <http://www.physicscentral.com/experiment/colormephysics/upload/feynman.pdf>.... On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 2:15 PM, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com > wrote: > "Artists electing to do a PhD is a relatively recent phenomenon, there was > a time when an MFA was as far as most went, and before that a degree > sufficed." > > Which kind of makes my point . Although PhD is the arts may be relatively > new - research and innovation, new discoveries in the arts are not . If > academia adopts a new field and wished to make grounbreaking new work in > that field - to discover new knowledge - it cannot ignore the methods by > which new work in that field has been created for thousands of years. In > the case of art new ground has not traditionally been broken by asking > verbal research questions - they are their own language - you can no more > translate true innovation in the arts into the spoken word than you could a > pure mathematics PhD. > > "PhD is simply your license to do research in an academic institution" > > This is what a PhD may mean to you - but it is not the objective definition > of a PhD and many people will hold a different view > > "It never ceases to amaze me how many PhD candidates have NO idea what > they want > to research before they register for the degree. I would agree these > people should not be doing a PhD, they should instead be given a coloring > book ; )" > > I have a close family member who is a Professor of physics - she tells me > it is quite common for students to signifiy they wish to do a PhD without > knowing the exact area they will be studying - it is the dpartment that > tells them what their PhD thesis will be on - and often they end up doing > something quite different . I will inform her to issue all future > applicants with coloring books. > > > On 18 August 2017 at 15:48, Phi Shu <phi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "No-one would deny that many of the greatest artists of our time made > > huge > > > progress and developments in the arts - but often would write nothing > at > > > all about their work." > > > > > > how many of the "greatest artists of our time" bothered doing a PhD? > > Artists electing to do a PhD is a relatively recent phenomenon, there > was a > > time when an MFA was as far as most went, and before that a degree > > sufficed. > > > > a PhD is simply your license to do research in an academic institution, > > nothing more, so if you don't actually do any novel research acquiring > it, > > you shouldn't be awarded the title, sorry, that's just the way I see it. > > > > "It never ceases to amaze me how many PhD candidates have NO idea what > they > > > want to research before they register for the degree." > > > > > > I would agree these people should not be doing a PhD, they should instead > > be given a coloring book ; ) > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > > attachments/20170818/29cda962/attachment.html> > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > > > > > > -- > Dr. Augustine Leudar > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > Company Number : NI635217 > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > Belfast BT88LL > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/ > attachments/20170820/9946529b/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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