By the way Jonathan, If I were you Id stick with Spat - its probably the most flexible and advanced of all spatial audio packages and worth working through the learning curve- Ive been thinking of swapping over to it for quite a while myself !!
On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 18:23, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well DBAP is just amplitude panning on irregular speaker arrays the ones > ive used it didnt reall matte rwhat direction the speaker was pointing. > Im not sure if Spat specifies speaker directions but if I remember when > Thibaut Carpentier came to Sarc he did show us some flashy spatial reverbs > that did take account of which direction the sound source was pointing. > You could banghim an email and see what he says , > > On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 17:08, Jonathan Kawchuk <jonathan.kawc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks so much Augustine! I’m actually taking a lot of existing 3d >> signals and trying to squish them into this irregular 12 channel setup. HOA >> and 7.1 mostly as well as signals from Sound Particles so SPAT Revolution >> has been helpful (though ICST looks amazing), even though Im not automating >> movement at that point. Trying to keep as much of the workflow channel >> based as possible. >> >> 1. There seems to be an issue with directionality of speakers in SPAT >> when I select DBAP. Some point left and others point right when really I >> want them all to point towards the floor. Is this just a user interface >> problem? Does DBAP treat speakers as omnidirectional? >> 2. Good to know about not using delays for non-sweet spot dependant >> projects. Would same go with normalization? >> 3. Fantastic about REW. Do you know of any tools that can figure out the >> coordinates of irregular speakers just from a sweep or test signal so I >> dont have to measure irregular speaker installations by hand? >> >> Also looking at GRM Spaces >> >> rew >> >> Thanks so much, >> >> Jon >> On Aug 18, 2019, 5:26 AM -0600, Augustine Leudar < >> augustineleu...@gmail.com>, wrote: >> > also you could use rew to eq each individual speaker. There's not much >> > point time aligning DBAP because time align to where ? The beuaty of >> using >> > amplitude panning with irregualr speaker arrays is that there's no sweet >> > spot, especially for walk through installations. >> > >> > On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 12:23, Augustine Leudar < >> augustineleu...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > *should say "the software doesn't know you've placed the speakers in a >> > > line not a circle" >> > > Its a crude work around - but it works if you dont have time to learn >> > > ICST. You can also try jamona. >> > > >> > > On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 at 12:21, Augustine Leudar < >> augustineleu...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > I use ICST in MAx MSP for irregular speaker arrays and it works >> fine even >> > > > though it says its "Ambisonics equivelant panning" if you reduce the >> > > > directivity it basically works like a form of DBAP. It works really >> well, >> > > > Ive made sound sfly through mazes and up and down buildings with >> it. You >> > > > can even use a normal octaphonic panner to make things fly in a >> straight >> > > > line - at the end of the day the sound is traveling from one >> speaker to the >> > > > next - the software doesnt know youve placed the software in a line >> rather >> > > > than a circle. >> > > > >> > > > On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 23:33, Jonathan Kawchuk < >> > > > jonathan.kawc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Hey everyone, >> > > > > >> > > > > I’m having a bit of trouble setting up a SPAT Revolution session >> for an >> > > > > irregular speaker array. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > 1. I am working with an irregular array of speakers for an >> installation >> > > > > (see attached, speakers numbered 1-12). The speakers are in a >> long hallway >> > > > > and are irregularly placed in the x, y, and z planed though always >> > > > > overhead. I would like to have sound move with each walker as >> they pass >> > > > > through the hallway by automating sound to move at average human >> walking >> > > > > speed. I am using Speaker 7 as an origin point (0, 0, 0). >> > > > > >> > > > > A. Which is the correct pan law to use? I have tried DBAP and KNN >> but >> > > > > the diagram of each speaker seems to be pointing in the wrong >> direction, >> > > > > esp. at the origin. I would like the speakers to point down >> towards the >> > > > > floor. >> > > > > >> > > > > B. Is it advised to select a single speaker as the origin point? >> > > > > >> > > > > 2. I have taken surround impulse responses from an array of 7 >> speakers >> > > > > in a surround setup approx 19m from the origin. The microphone >> array was >> > > > > 7+4 (height) at 1m from the origin. If spatializing in SPAT, >> would I make >> > > > > the convolved signal 19m from the origin (where the speakers >> played the >> > > > > sweep) or 1m (where the microphone array was). >> > > > > >> > > > > 3. In either case, would I compute speaker alignment or normalize? >> > > > > >> > > > > 4. Are you aware of any products that can calculate multichannel >> > > > > irregular speaker distances/correction curves from a test signal? >> Something >> > > > > like sonarworks or genelec SAM but not proprietary and with the >> ability to >> > > > > calculate actual speaker positions from test signals rather than >> having to >> > > > > scan the room (which I currently do using matterport) or measure >> by hand. >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks so much, >> > > > > >> > > > > Jon >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- >> > > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > > > > URL: < >> > > > > >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190817/6e4ed719/attachment.html >> > > > > > >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- >> > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > > > > Name: Arts Common Sound Install.pdf >> > > > > Type: application/octet-stream >> > > > > Size: 123847 bytes >> > > > > Desc: not available >> > > > > URL: < >> > > > > >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190817/6e4ed719/attachment.obj >> > > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > Sursound mailing list >> > > > > Sursound@music.vt.edu >> > > > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - >> unsubscribe here, >> > > > > edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Dr. Augustine Leudar >> > > > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD >> > > > Company Number : NI635217 >> > > > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, >> > > > Belfast BT88LL >> > > > www.magikdoor.net >> > > > +44(0)7555784775 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Dr. Augustine Leudar >> > > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD >> > > Company Number : NI635217 >> > > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, >> > > Belfast BT88LL >> > > www.magikdoor.net >> > > +44(0)7555784775 >> > > >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > Dr. Augustine Leudar >> > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD >> > Company Number : NI635217 >> > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, >> > Belfast BT88LL >> > www.magikdoor.net >> > +44(0)7555784775 >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > URL: < >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190818/0fadb311/attachment.html >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sursound mailing list >> > Sursound@music.vt.edu >> > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe >> here, edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20190818/4fdecc3a/attachment.html >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Sursound mailing list >> Sursound@music.vt.edu >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, >> edit account or options, view archives and so on. >> > > > -- > Dr. Augustine Leudar > Artistic Director Magik Door LTD > Company Number : NI635217 > Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, > Belfast BT88LL > www.magikdoor.net > +44(0)7555784775 > > -- Dr. Augustine Leudar Artistic Director Magik Door LTD Company Number : NI635217 Registered 63 Ballycoan rd, Belfast BT88LL www.magikdoor.net +44(0)7555784775 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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