Motie, --- motie_d <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >snip< >If they choose to risk distributing > it > > (or fail to catch it in house) they become subject > to > > loss of bonds and actions from the regulators > which > > are also economically undesirable and can include > > shutting down of the facility until independent > tests > > show that the product is consistently "to spec". In > > fact the independent testers are randomly tested > as > > well. > I perhaps don't know enough about making Biodiesel > to form a > qualified opinion, but can the same procedure be > used for Biodiesel? > I'm asking out of honest ignorance, not trying to be > facetious.
I believe so. > Is there any evidence that Yellow doesn't have such > a system in place? None I am aware of. >If the required testing will cost Yellow $1Million, will the cost of >rebuilding the regs be even higher? I don't think the testing will cost a million. This is a miscommunication I think. >> In fact I do not believe that membership in the NBB >> exempt a BD producer from anything...it just makes >> certification a simpler process. >I really don't understand this portion, and haven't from the start. >If the testing required for non-members, will cost $1Million, how >does membership reduce the cost, if it doesn't exempt him from the >tests? See above regarding the Million. Testing of the actual product won't cost a million. Duplicating the "pollution" tests that the NBB has provided the EPA might though. These are separate issues... e.g. the miscommunication. Ah, yes... Certification. Certification really does not guarantee a standard is being held to as your illustration with the welder showed. Certification is only effective if it can be "yanked" for failing to live up to the standards set at certification. If that welder would have thought he could lose his certification (and access to pay he obviously ,at least in that case, did not earn or deserve) he might have done a better job. The intention of the implementation of certification was that critical welding should only be performed by those that have at least proved they have the ability and knowledge to do it for those who certify. This unfortunately is only half of the equation as without subjecting those so certified to close scrutiny after they are certified there is little incentive to actually produce welds that are up to those standards after receiving the certification(except pride in ones work) and there if a sloppy weld will produce the same income as a decent one...well you know the rest of the story. If the paperwork said the weld was done by a certified welder you are off the hook if the bridge fails due to the sloppy weld...if not you are liable. The public interest is not served...only the public officials interest. I was once a certified welder...it was too easy to become one and some of the folks that were certified alongside me needed extensive coaching to pass. This is one reason why all welds are x-rayed on pipelines and nuclear plants...and why certification does not mean "squat" to the Supervisors on such projects. It seems a second layer of regulation was "needed" for such critical project welds as the first one is useless for all PRACTICAL purposes. I agree that a strong random testing program is usually much more effective than a "certification" program...but for the EPA's purpose certification is more practical. The meat inspector testing program was an example of what happens when you put the govt. in charge of doing the tests...there are simply not enough inspectors due to budget constraints and the siphoning off of funding at management levels...and those inspectors are low paid and so susceptible to..er...supplemental income offers from those they are supposed to "police". Whew that was close.....I almost inadvertently accused govt. officials of corruption. That would have opened up a can of worms!!!! Dana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
