Maybe, But you know that the Lipofat market is being cornered by one guy...makes the finest soap. OOPS...first rule...don't talk about Fight Club.
Seriously though Steve...I am not sure what you are referring to here. My suggestion that all cooperative members might have to use the same feedstock (probably soybean oil) at least to start is not a slam against WVO. Other reasons. Are you still interested in the coop idea? Dana --- steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dana, the worst WVO, when properly titrated, makes > great biodiesel. doesn't > matter if it's made from soybeans, animal fat, or > liposuction leftovers. > > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - > http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ > Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - > http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Linscott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 6:02 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Sloppiest made biodiesel > won't hurt engines or > pollute > > > > > > --- Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Dana said: > > > > > > > In this case I > > > > offerred my profssional services Gratis or > more > > > > accuratly for the price of accepting primary > > > > responsability. > > > > > > > > > I can't imagine why YBD would want any help > from > > > you, Dana, after > > > seeing the irresponsible and damaging statements > > > you've made about > > > biodiesel. With friends like you, who needs > enemies, > > > eh? > > > > > > And when are you going to answer Keith's > request > > > for proof of those > > > allegations? I really think you need to either > back > > > up those statements > > > or publically retract them. > > > > > > Harmon, > > > > I have to assume that you mean my statement > regarding > > the likelihood that "the most sloppily made > biodiesel > > is better than the best petrodiesel" is not true > and > > that besides "spewing more crap" into the > atmosphere I > > have to breath the "most sloppily made biodiesel" > > might also have bad effects on engine longevity. > > > > Please note I did not say well made biodiesel does > > either. > > > > I have a very hard time believing that this needs > > backing up...but here goes. > > > > First..so there is no misunderstanding later I do > not > > have any reason to beleive tha YBD has ever > produced > > anthing but the highest quality BD. In fact I > believe > > that YBD has always endeavored to provide its' > > customers with a square deal including providing > to > > them the best biodiesel they can make at an honest > > price.This is NOT about YBD!!! > > > > That said..... > > I think we can use Jet Fuel as the example of the > best > > petrodiesel...very expensive kerosene essentially > > produced to the highest standards. Works equally > well > > in diesels...I know as I have done it in a pinch. > > > > Second we have to agree on what the "most sloppily > > made biodiesel" might be. Hmmm...Lets' say I take > WVO > > containing...ummm... PCBs that some unethical > person > > has tried to dispose of illegally by pouring into > the > > unlocked WVO containers I service. NO. That would > be > > too easy... > > > > OK...Lets' assume you are getting just plain old > WVO > > from the local restaurant...and they have decided > to > > begin dumping their grill grease into the fryer > oil > > you pick up for free...but don't bother to tell > you. > > Or maybe they get a really good deal on some > fryer > > oil that turns out to be raw rancid palm oil so > they > > throw that in too. That would be plausible... > > > > So you take this WVO of questionable origin and > run > > it through your cobbed together processor but you > are > > not too careful about washing the soaps out or > making > > sure the pH is relatively neutral or allowing it > to > > settle the glycerin out completly...and (since you > > don't have any standards or quality control) even > if > > it foams a bit and makes the reaction vat shinier > than > > it has ever been before...well...no big thing. > After > > all we KNOW that even really sloppily made BD is > > better than the best petrodiesel and that it can't > > harm engines or cause pollution. So you pour this > > "foamy" batch into the big ol' storage tank and > > customers run their vehicles on it just like > always. > > You also notice that nearly all of our batches are > a > > bit foamy after that one. OH WELL...it can't hurt > > anything can it? > > > > Meanwhile you discover that you can mix in 50% > > filtered WVO as a lubricity additive and your own > > truck runs just fine...since it is summer and the > > temperature is never below 60*. So... since you're > > operating at maximum capacity for your equipment > and > > your customers can't get enough you begin to add > more > > and more "lubricity additive" to the big ol tank > to > > help supply keep up with demand. > > > > And after a few weeks you notice that your > reaction > > vat is beginning to leak a bit at the fittings and > a > > few of our customers remark that their diesels are > > smokin' a bit more than they used to and the > mileage > > is not quite as good either. One comes by and says > > that "he had to have his injection pump replaced > and > > the mechanic said that the corrosion he found was > > unlike anything he had seen and wondered if he had > > been putting any additive in his diesel and when > he > > told him that he had been running his truck on > home > > made biodiesel he said I don't know if the > warrantee > > will cover this and sure enough they wanted him to > pay > > for he pump replacement and had notified him the > > warrantee was null and void and what are YOU going > to > > do about it....." OH-OH....And you tell him to > "piss > > off... cause EVERYONE knows that even the > sloppiest > > made biodiesel won't harm an engine or cause > > pollution." > > > > And a few days after you lose the small claims > court > > suit from that customer because the Evil Govt. > Judge > > won't buy that argument...another customer tells > you > > that "his smokin' turned out to be carboned up > rings > > and he needed a new short block and the dealer > told > > him that his warrantee was void cause he used > homemade > > biodiesel and WHAT are YOU going to do about > > it".......and you notice that YOUR truck is > smokin' a > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! 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