Dana, the worst WVO, when properly titrated, makes great biodiesel. doesn't matter if it's made from soybeans, animal fat, or liposuction leftovers.
Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Linscott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Sloppiest made biodiesel won't hurt engines or pollute > > --- Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dana said: > > > > > In this case I > > > offerred my profssional services Gratis or more > > > accuratly for the price of accepting primary > > > responsability. > > > > > > I can't imagine why YBD would want any help from > > you, Dana, after > > seeing the irresponsible and damaging statements > > you've made about > > biodiesel. With friends like you, who needs enemies, > > eh? > > > > And when are you going to answer Keith's request > > for proof of those > > allegations? I really think you need to either back > > up those statements > > or publically retract them. > > > > Harmon, > > I have to assume that you mean my statement regarding > the likelihood that "the most sloppily made biodiesel > is better than the best petrodiesel" is not true and > that besides "spewing more crap" into the atmosphere I > have to breath the "most sloppily made biodiesel" > might also have bad effects on engine longevity. > > Please note I did not say well made biodiesel does > either. > > I have a very hard time believing that this needs > backing up...but here goes. > > First..so there is no misunderstanding later I do not > have any reason to beleive tha YBD has ever produced > anthing but the highest quality BD. In fact I believe > that YBD has always endeavored to provide its' > customers with a square deal including providing to > them the best biodiesel they can make at an honest > price.This is NOT about YBD!!! > > That said..... > I think we can use Jet Fuel as the example of the best > petrodiesel...very expensive kerosene essentially > produced to the highest standards. Works equally well > in diesels...I know as I have done it in a pinch. > > Second we have to agree on what the "most sloppily > made biodiesel" might be. Hmmm...Lets' say I take WVO > containing...ummm... PCBs that some unethical person > has tried to dispose of illegally by pouring into the > unlocked WVO containers I service. NO. That would be > too easy... > > OK...Lets' assume you are getting just plain old WVO > from the local restaurant...and they have decided to > begin dumping their grill grease into the fryer oil > you pick up for free...but don't bother to tell you. > Or maybe they get a really good deal on some fryer > oil that turns out to be raw rancid palm oil so they > throw that in too. That would be plausible... > > So you take this WVO of questionable origin and run > it through your cobbed together processor but you are > not too careful about washing the soaps out or making > sure the pH is relatively neutral or allowing it to > settle the glycerin out completly...and (since you > don't have any standards or quality control) even if > it foams a bit and makes the reaction vat shinier than > it has ever been before...well...no big thing. After > all we KNOW that even really sloppily made BD is > better than the best petrodiesel and that it can't > harm engines or cause pollution. So you pour this > "foamy" batch into the big ol' storage tank and > customers run their vehicles on it just like always. > You also notice that nearly all of our batches are a > bit foamy after that one. OH WELL...it can't hurt > anything can it? > > Meanwhile you discover that you can mix in 50% > filtered WVO as a lubricity additive and your own > truck runs just fine...since it is summer and the > temperature is never below 60*. So... since you're > operating at maximum capacity for your equipment and > your customers can't get enough you begin to add more > and more "lubricity additive" to the big ol tank to > help supply keep up with demand. > > And after a few weeks you notice that your reaction > vat is beginning to leak a bit at the fittings and a > few of our customers remark that their diesels are > smokin' a bit more than they used to and the mileage > is not quite as good either. One comes by and says > that "he had to have his injection pump replaced and > the mechanic said that the corrosion he found was > unlike anything he had seen and wondered if he had > been putting any additive in his diesel and when he > told him that he had been running his truck on home > made biodiesel he said I don't know if the warrantee > will cover this and sure enough they wanted him to pay > for he pump replacement and had notified him the > warrantee was null and void and what are YOU going to > do about it....." OH-OH....And you tell him to "piss > off... cause EVERYONE knows that even the sloppiest > made biodiesel won't harm an engine or cause > pollution." > > And a few days after you lose the small claims court > suit from that customer because the Evil Govt. Judge > won't buy that argument...another customer tells you > that "his smokin' turned out to be carboned up rings > and he needed a new short block and the dealer told > him that his warrantee was void cause he used homemade > biodiesel and WHAT are YOU going to do about > it".......and you notice that YOUR truck is smokin' a > bit more than usual and that the oil level is ...holy > cow...2 quarts low in....500 miles!!!!! And YOU wonder > WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT cause you NEED that > truck to pack up and leave town with what you can > because ALL your old customers are sending you > summons...and not for small claims court > either......and the state revenue department wants to > know where the road tax you were supposed to collect > is...and the Dept. of weights and measures just called > and wanted to see the records on when your last pump > test was to determine how much you owe the state cause > revenue didn't like the "piss off" answer you gave > them and you are wondering if maybe you should have > filed your income tax last year...and the year > before..and the year before that and your wife just > yelled from the kitchen that the sheriff is at the > front door and wants to talk to you.. and you yell > back to "just sign for the summons like all the other > times" and she yells back "He still wants to talk to > you" and you notice that there are three or four > deputies on your back yard and are about to go tell > them to get the "HELL OFFA' MY PROPERTY..when you hear > steps suspiciously heavier than your wifes behind your > reclining chair..... > > Really...I am trying to be humorous about this but I > have a hard time doing so since COMMERCIALLY producing > and selling biodiesel is VERY different from making it > for your own personal use. Let's use some common sense > here OK? > > I have seen plenty of warnings on this very list that > it is important to not get sloppy at making home brew > biodiesel. We all nod our heads when we see some > neophyte ask " is it really important to wash the > biodiesel or to get a complete transesterification," > etc. so why would anyone familiar with what it takes > to make biodiesel think that because it is "organic" > it is safe no matter how sloppy one is when making it. > OHHH...I get it now. > > Harmon...fess up... you don't actually intend to ever > make and sell biodiesel do you? You probably don't > ever intend to "fight the Oppressive Government" > either...You just intend to encourage others to do it. > > Hmmmmmmm........everything makes a bit more sense now. > > As for why YBD would contact me to ask for help after > all my "irresponsible and damaging statements...about > biodiesel" I supose because they might wish to hear a > point of view other than "the evil govt" one that many > seem to think will help somehow. I have practical > advice from practical experience for practically no > coast. > > I have friends that will tell me when I am on the > wrong track even when all the others are encuraging me > to "fight, Fight ,FIGHT!". These are not only my best > friends...they are an asset I could not survive > without. With friends like that I CAN handle my > enemys. > > > And Harmon...listen carfully...I am not against > Biodiesel because it is bad...I am against bad > biodiesel. There is a very important difference in the > two statements and if you cannot tell the > difference...well...<sigh> > > Dana > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. 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