This would sound very convincing in front of a lynch mob and also does when the President of US says it. Personally, I only have a strong principle opinion about you hanging Saddam Hussein without a trial, not that he will be hanged. I have much more feelings about the Iraq people that might hang with him. For me it looks like US is bullying and maybe bluffing to get what it wants.
How can US be contained within itself, with the enormous dependance of oil imports? 4% of the worlds population, that are using 25% of the world's oil production? I can believe that Americans can try to put the cart before the horse or let the tail wag the dog. But to try to negotiate with a moving train, isn't that too much? We now that carts have a relation with horses and dogs have tails, but trains can't speak. I am worried and it is not much of what you are saying that makes me less worried. Hakan At 08:36 AM 10/3/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Keep in mind that the United States is a supposed democracy contained within >itself. The world is not a democracy yet. pre-emptive strikes may sound like >putting the cart before the horse but you only have to stand in front of a >moving train and try to negotiate with it once. No one else observing will >make that same mistake. So what is so different about a nuclear bomb versus >chemical weapons? Either way thousands of people are dead. Nuclear bomb may >be more humane then chemical. Judging by the description of the deaths >written by human rights international (or something like that). It does not >appear to be a good way to die. Saddam was willing to use quite a bit of >those chemical weapons on Iran. These are also considered WMD's. I dont see >anybody "squashing" him or getting rid of him for that.. So what is to make >me believe that he wont use a nuclear weapon? Blind hope that he is smarter >then he appears? Saddam should be smarter and spread his killings out over >several years. like maybe 10,000 a year instead of all at once. That way we >wont pay much attention to him? Course he shouldn't have experimented on his >own people. Trust me he probably wont do that with a nuclear weapon. >Sure it would be nice if everyone on the UN had the same insight, but so far >I believe like Saddam, the UN is all bark and no bite. They can be bluffed >and bullied down and out of most anything. Besides for the most part I think >there is alot of postureing going on in an attempt to get the UN to be what >it was intended to be instead of the impotent institution that it has been. >So if I am right then those of you afraid of the US "going it alone" don't >have to worry. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:26 PM >Subject: Re: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled... > > > > > > I thought that the modern free, democratic societies was based on a sense > > of justice and law. Maybe Plato had all the rights to disbelief the > > democracy when Socrates was sentenced to death by the lynch style > > democracy. I am sorry, he could not know that it was a lynching. The word > > lynching came much later, after a famous American judge Lynch. I hope that > > we do not need to change the meaning of the word bushing. > > > > This with preemptive strikes is so dangerous for the whole world, that I > > sincerely hope that it does not happens. It will change international law > > and behavior in a way that could have enormous consequences. If we ever >are > > going the improve the world, we have to nurture and protect institutions > > like UN. If US take unilateral actions outside the vulnerable and in some > > senses imperfect, but only, international institution that we have, the > > damage can be disastrous for all of us and for many generations to come. > > > > Hakan > > > > > > At 04:45 PM 10/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: > > >50,000 dead first? > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:41 AM > > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled... > > > > > > > > > > Bryan Fullerton wrote: > > > > > > > > >The problem is that some threats are best dealt with before their >fruits > > >are > > > > >realized.. > > > > > > > > Guilty until proven innocent? > > > > > > > > >Trust me. if you in your little scenario had included that you > > > > >just came from an alqaida(spell) training camp they probably would >have > > > > >arrested you on less evidence then that. Intelligence missed these >guys > > >on > > > > >sept 11. there is no way they want that to happen again. > > > > > > > > Okay, but I wonder if they're any more efficient now than they were >then. > > > > > > > > >Saddam is sucha > > > > >lunatic if he had nuke capability he would use it. Of course he would >use > > >it > > > > >onl his own people first. He used chemical weapons on Iran with great > > > > >success 20,000 dead from it. The US believes that he will be the next > > >great > > > > >supporter of infiltration into the US of terrorists.. Personally i >dont > > >see > > > > >what the difference is in defending ourselves and or defending the >100 or > > > > >200,000 of his people that he wants to slaughter. > > > > > > > > This is complete nonsense. Saddam Hussein is not a lunatic, he's much > > > > too smart to nuke anybody, the US is doing just the right thing if it > > > > want to ensure an endless stream of anti-US terrorists, no need for > > > > any help from Saddam Hussein, and the US itself has been not been > > > > averse to such mass-slaughters in the past, when it saw its interests > > > > served. And no I'm not anti-US. I'm just anti-nonsense. And nonsense > > > > such as this is quite well known for getting folks killed - other > > > > folks, far away. > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Curtis Sakima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:16 AM > > > > >Subject: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dunno, I've been hearing a lot about this "Saddam > > > > > > Hussein/Iraq thing" ... and it annoys me that here we > > > > > > are ... threatening to bomb Iraq. And I can't figure > > > > > > out what Iraq's ever done "to us" first. I mean, have > > > > > > Iraqi planes ever flown over the U.S.?? Dropping > > > > > > BOMBS?? Have any missiles with Iraqi serial numbers > > > > > > on it ever hit any US targets?? > > > > > > > > > > > > All I keep on hearing ... is that "Saddam" is such a > > > > > > "threat". That we must "bomb Saddam" because he is > > > > > > "such a threat". No act yet .. but "he is such a > > > > > > threat". > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought America was the land of "prosecute the act". > > > > > > Not "prosecute cause we think maybe ... he might > > > > > > ...". > > > > > > > > > > > > "In the news tonight, Police broke down the door of > > > > > > Curtis Sakima. Just because on one side of his house > > > > > > was found smokeless powder (for my rifles .. legal) > > > > > > and on the other side of his house was found plumbing > > > > > > pips (from a recent home upgrade). Police are > > > > > > arresting him on the POSSIBILITY that he MIGHT be > > > > > > manufacturing WEAPONS OF LOUD PERCUSSION (pipe bombs) > > > > > > and have him in custody, demanding him to defend > > > > > > himself and prove otherwise". > > > > > > > > > > > > Golly, I can see it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Curtis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > -----snip------ > > > > > > > > > > > > What the document entirely fails to do - and possibly > > > > > > could never have done - is show that Saddam Hussein is > > > > > > a current threat, or what his future intentions are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----snip------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Now what does all that remind me of? Weak. If there > > > > > > were a smoking gun we'd definitely know all about it > > > > > > beyond any doubt. Just oil. And politics. The two > > > > > > hopelessly confused as ever, when it comes to the US. > > > > > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > >Biofuels list archives: > > >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > >To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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