Hello Ed, Gustl and all >I'll second that, not that it's needed for the list moderator to take >appropriate action here. > >You're pathetic, and an embarrassment to many of your fellow Americans, >who do not fit the profile of the Ugly American (which you've >personified) whatsoever. > > They have my sympathy, for having to endure the labels that are >increasingly placed upon them, which they as individuals do not >deserve, and for having to share their country with such bigots.
And mine. >God Bless America. It surely needs the help, to rid itself of such >attitudes as yours. Verily. >Edward Beggs > > >On Tuesday, April 13, 2004, at 09:28 AM, Keith Addison wrote: > > > You're all over the place pal, you're full of big gaping holes, and > > worse. Whether or not you can see it yourself, everyone else sure can. Gustl wrote: >Hallo Brian, > >Tuesday, 13 April, 2004, 11:06:04, you wrote: > >ban> The bulk of the planet is infested by wogs who wear loin cloths >ban> an throw sticks at each other. That leaves Orientals and >ban> Europeans, who have their own agenda, and are welcome to it. I'm >ban> an American, have no need of either lifestyle.. Prior to 9/11, I >ban> didn't even care... > >...snip... > >Happenstance has it that I am American born. It is my choice to not >be boorish ass. You seem to have made different choices. > >ban> I don't have a fair share of fuel, I buy it. If only 4% of the >ban> worlds population is advanced enough to live an American life >ban> style, well, too bad for the rest. > >...snip... > >Do you find "...well, too bad for the rest." to be a laudable >position? > >ban> Point taken here. Its just that in my experience, spin and >ban> vacuous blather almost always come from some leftest agenda. As >ban> to John Kerry, his record and policy positions are pretty much >ban> those of the German Socialist Democratic Party, near as I can >ban> tell, so the Euros on the list should feel at home with him. He >ban> and George Bush has turned me into a Nader voter... > >I am not sure Nader would want your vote. After all he comes from a >family of "wogs" you know? > >It is a pity that you have chosen this forum to air your noxious >views as it puts we Americans in a (piss) poor light which is >undeserved. If you do a Google search I am sure you will find a KKK >mailing list which will welcome you with open arms despite your >professed leaning towards Nader. > >My apologies, as an American, to the list. He speaks only for a small >minority of US citizens. Ignorance is one thing, stupidity quite >another. I'm sure there's no need for you to apologise Gustl. I doubt anyone on the list will tar Americans in general with this brush. Even now most people distinguish between Americans and Washington, the first they generally like, the second they generally don't. But it's to be expected that there'll be a small minority of individuals who'll be indistinguishable from Washington at its worst. I think it's understood well enough. Anyway, I think there's a need for me to apologise. Young master Brian (I think he's not young, but let's give him the benefit of the doubt, it's easier to forgive a young fool than an old one, with more hope too) is a newcomer and thus still on moderation, as are all newcomers until they establish their bona-fides as non-spammers and non-trolls. So I could have stopped his post. I didn't just hit the "Approve" button, I did read it, and was very disgusted. I'm aware that I might not be the most reasonable person around when it comes to dealing with blind bigotry like that. For nearly 40 years I've been working against this "problem" where poor people's children starve in rich people's backyards - literally, back then, in the huts hidden behind the hedge on the other side of the swimming pool. "But why didn't they tell us?" And, invariably: "We treat our servants like human beings." Yeah. Now we're all in each other's backyards, and it's still just the same, in this world of plenty where there's more than enough for everyone. Everyone except the greedy. That's what we do at Journey to Forever, what it's all about - against hunger and poverty and injustice. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/32384/ The rich are rich and the poor poor because that's the natural order of things, because we live in some kind of meritocracy and each gets their just deserts? Sure, right. The poor are poor *because* the rich are rich. Blind ignorance of the rich that their privileges are at the expense of others' suffering is bad enough. When it's wilfully blind that's much worse. When the privileges showered on them are wasted, producing nothing but a slack-minded, useless fool, that's worse still. When that fool *sneers* at those at whose expense he benefits, in their faces, it becomes hard to bear. And then claims he has the *right* to his grossly unfair share, and "too bad for the rest" - and that over oil supplies, which is not just a matter of a grossly unjust world economic system, oil has rather more to do with the brute force that backs up that unjust world economic system, with millions dead worldwide in collateral damage over the last half-century. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/32425/ And over the next half-century too, if he has his way. Too bad, eh? "Step outside" doesn't work very well in the virtual world, and I reject that response anyway. The other impulse was to spike his message and just give the guy the boot without any further ado. He'd probably have yelled "Censorship!" and whined about "free speech" and his "rights", but who cares? And in his terms he'd've "won". But who cares? Well, maybe I did. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe I should have just kicked him out and spiked it. How could it not be divisive, on a global list like this, and indeed unfair to the other Americans? So, dear friends, please accept my humble apologies for allowing this ugly scene to get as far as it did, and for any damage done. I can't say I wouldn't do it again though. Anyway, predictably, Brian refused to apologise "for reality" as he put it. I told him bigotry had little to do with reality and threw him out. Can't say I'm sad to see him go. I'm aware that there are others here who share his views. Maybe this incident will give them some pause. Hope springs eternal. >Happy Happy, Yes indeed Gustl. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Biofuel list owner >Gustl ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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