You are full of hate and I feel very sorry for you. There are fanatic / extremist views in every religion... and it is simply not productive to hate and blame. Right now we seem to be living in a world where the vast majority of modorit thinking people are being oppressed by the will of extremest elements.
Perhaps the reason that so many jews react strongly to this sort of hatful rhetoric is that we have learned throughout the ages to remember the tragidies of the past. It is just this sort of hate speach, that has triggered events such as the holocaust. The Jews have been without a home for the last 2000 years... We have been slaughtered and persecuted and blamed for any number of problems (this latest is not the first time people have declared the Jews to be responsible) throughout this time. Perhaps you can understand why Israel represents something that is so powerful and protected in the Jewish psychy. I would not agree with everything that Israel has done (in fact, I tend to disagree with a great many of her policies), however I have to believe in her right to exist. The Jewish religion is not perfect... Yes many people feel strongly especialy that Jews should not marry outside the religion... It is really the only thing that has allowed the religion to survive 5000 years, almost half of it without a home. At the same time, I am married to a non-jew, and my parents love her dearly. You keep reffering to Jewdiasm as a monolithic block, when you yell about text in the book used to train rabbis... I have laugh... There is no "book" -- I can only say, that you really have a very superficial understanding of the religion, and leave it at that. MY SOLUTION: I know that 99% of the people on this earth, wish for peace and love. I know that there are extremeist elements in every culture and religion that believe their way of thought is the "right" way... They are the only real enemy and evil in my book. Take a look at yourself Mr. Biobenz... because you fall into that catagory. ----- Original Message ----- From: "biobenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - Hakan > Dear Matt. History of the Khazars and what the Talmud says is > not "hate" it is historical FACT. I truly am sympathetic to those > who suffer needlessly, be they known as "jews" or Palestinians or > others who do not deserve the crimes commited against them, but this > does not mitigate FACTS and the FACTS are that those who have set > themselves up as the leaders of and spokepeople for "the jewish > people" are Talmudists of the extreme variety and it IS important > that people understand the mindset that these criminals use as a > justification for their crimes. You don't agree with them, denounce > them publickly or appologize for them at every opportunity. > Being "jewish" actually puts you in a greater responsibility about > this than I or others who are not called "jews", as you are the one > being defrauded by this more than I. I KNOW it is a lie and that > the teachings of the Talmud ARE NOT the torah or "simply a > ccommentary". Give me a break. Commentary.... > is one hell of a stretch gettin to where it is ok for adult males to > have sex with a three year old female "as the hymen will grow back". > That is one hell of a commentary all right. > > From Facts are Facts by Benjamin H. Freedman - > The role the Talmud plays in "Judaism" as it is practiced today is > officially stated by the eminent Rabbi Morris N. Kertzer, the > Director of Interreligious Activities of The North American Jewish > Committee and the President of the Jewish Chaplains Association of > the Armed Forces of the United States. In his present capacity as > official spokesman for The American Jewish Committee, the self- > styled "Vatican of Judaism", Rabbi Morris N. Kertzer wrote a most > revealing and comprehensive article with the title, "What is a Jew" > which was published as a featured article in Look Magazine in the > June 17, 1952 issue. In that article Rabbi Morris N. Kertzer > evaluated the significance of the Talmud to "Judaism" today. In that > illuminating treatise on that important subject by the most > qualified authority, at the time, Rabbi Morris N. Kertzer stated: > "The Talmud consists of 63 books of legal, ethical and historical > writings of the ancient rabbis. It was edited centuries after the > birth of Jesus. It is a compendium of law and lore. IT IS THE LEGAL > CODE WHICH FORMS THE BASIS OF THE JEWISH RELIGIOUS LAW and it is THE > TEXTBOOK USED IN THE TRAINING OF THE RABBIS:" > > You tell me how it is "simply a commentary" when it is the > cornerstone of "jewish" rabbinical indoctrination. It is rather the > genuine teachings and life motivating factors behind the vast > majority of those who call themsleves "jews" but not to the > exclusivity of many who DO NOT believe in the legitimacy of Zionism > nor of the Talmud, but DO however lay claim to faith in Torah. > http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ contains a quotation from > Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum > "...it is our obligation to make it known in order that everyone > should understand that the Zionists are not the nation of > Israel...and it most definitely our holy obligation to announce > before those nations of the world that the Zionists are not the > spokespeople of the nation of Israel..." > http://www.karaite-korner.org/ states > "Karaism is the original form of Judaism as prescribed by God in the > Torah. Karaite Judaism rejects later additions to the Tanach (Jewish > Bible) such as the Rabbinic Oral Law and places the ultimate > responsibility of interpreting the Bible on each individual." > > Truth IS NOT "hate" as would be the propaganda aim of this sort of > smear in order to hide and deny it to those who may be interested in > finding it out for themselves. Truth needs no laws to hide it as it > stands on it's own merit, only lies and disinformation need > governmental intervention to hide what might otherwise be an > expunging of the cash cows once truth be known. > > Elizabeth Dilling's The Jewish Religion it's Influence Today: > http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/dcontents.html > The Kol Nidre (All Vows Prayer) > http://christianparty.net/kolnidre.htm > Award winning author Arthur Koestler's Thirteeth Tribe (The Khazars) > http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm > From Dr Alfred Lilenthal's "What Price Israel" available on his site > at:http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/ > "The Jewish racial myth flows from the fact that the words > Hebrew, 'Israelite', Jew, Judaism, and the Jewish people have been > used synonymously to suggest a historic continuity. But this is a > misuse. These words refer to different groups of people with varying > ways of life in different periods in history." > > These are not "hate" there are historical FACT. Some people do not > appreciate being told the truth ,especially about a life long held > belief but then facts don't change just because we don't like them. > No one is advocating that anyone should go out and commit violence > against anyone. This information is provided as educational only and > NOT intended to incite or promote any form of violence against any > person or group. > > "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, > that shall he also reap" (Galatians 6:7) > Those who sow violence reap violence, those who sow peace reap peace. > War IS NOT Peace nor is Slavery Freedom as Orwell said in his epic > 1984. > > > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Golden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I am literally stunned by this outburst of hate. > > > > I am Jewish. Like 99% of Jews around the world, more than > anything I want a > > true peace in the middle east. Jews are not some sort of > monolithic > > force... or conspiracy... we are exactly like every other person > on this > > earth. > > > > The very idea that there is one way to interpret the Talmud in > itself shows > > this man's ignorance. The Talmud is simply a commentary on the > Torah... > > there are literally hundreds of opinions on every topic, and none > are > > right... It is a discussion of ideas that spans centuries. It is > the > > debate of ideas that defines Jewish belief and law. > > > > There are extremist interpretations of every tradition... Muslim, > Christian, > > Jewish. The interpretation of the Talmud that you refer to is an > > interpretation that is only believed by a few extremists, and is > not part of > > modern Jewish understanding. > > > > One example of an extremist Christian belief that has a similar > effect on > > world view, is the evangelical belief that only those who are born > again can > > be saved. This tenant has the same polarizing effect as > being "chosen"... > > Accum's razor might suggest that it is more likely that this line > of thought > > could have affected our President (he is after all a practicing > Born Again > > Evangelical Christian), rather then an obscure teaching from the > Talmud. > > > > How exactly did you make the leap from Bush to Jew bashing.... > amazing > > string of logic. > > > > The first step towards solving this world's problem, is for us all > to look > > at each other with open eyes... realize that we are all human, and > all faced > > with the same fears, and loves. We need to look in our enemies > soul and > > realize that they are exactly like us. > > > > The first step to peace is empathy. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "biobenz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 6:01 PM > > Subject: [biofuel] Re: Oil and Israel - Hakan > > > > > > > Hubris; the unreasonable absorbtion with ones self often > > > misrepresented as "narcisism" plagues Americans more than any > other > > > one single group anywhere. In a way it is not even their fault as > > > they have been conditioned this way from birth; the thinking of > the > > > world in terms of "America" is the only way Americans CAN relate > to > > > the world as they are woefully ignorant (unlearned) of it other > than > > > in "American" terms. > > > This latest outing of Bush et co's policies of "not me first, me > > > ONLY" is merely an extrapolation of that. In ideology that only > > > reflects the Talmudisation of America and it's pulpits as that is > > > EXACTLY what the Talmud teaches, that all "non-jews" are not > even to > > > be considered as human, but are merely cattle, so America's "me > > > ONLY" attitude towards the rest of the world is gain a > reflection of > > > that mindset. > > > The Talmud teaches not a "superior race" ethic(!)it teaches > an "ONLY > > > race" one. It is little wonder that once discovered for it's true > > > self there were born so-called "persecutions" and osterisations > of > > > the "chosen". No one appreciates being categorised as "cattle" > for > > > the benefit of it's owners and masters. > > > America DOES NOT speak for the world but it THINKS it does in > it's > > > delusion that they are "the best, the greatest", the only truly > > > capable form of political thought capable of deciding the fate of > > > the world because they have more bombs. Might is right and truth > be > > > damned. International laws are for the subserviant not for the > > > masters, just like Sharon and his lot in the political state of > > > Israel.The two have worked, yes WORKED, hand in glove to see to > it > > > through numerous UN vetos, that neither would ever be held > > > accountable to anyone who is not of the "master" category. Is it > a > > > piss-off ? At present the rest of the planet has had about > enough of > > > both of them and their slaughter of the poor and innocent for > > > whatever trumped up "reason" they have their media shills push > at us. > > > Sooner or later the bully always gets his, and only then can the > > > rest live in peace and cooperation, for as long as the > instigators > > > of hate and division for profit are running the show there will > be > > > no peace or ability for the haves to share with the havenots for > > > the "masters" want it all for themselves. > > > > > > But then that is just my take on it. > > > > > > Luc > > > > > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > > > > > Have you ever contemplated that this kind of thought are only > > > supported by > > > > a maximum of 2% of the world population, if US are split in the > > > middle on > > > > this issue. I and a majority of the people outside US, recent > the > > > US as a > > > > spokesman for the western civilization. Who are you, to do this > > > kind of > > > > evaluation. It might be your personal thoughts, but you are > quite > > > alone. > > > > The ideals of all civilizations, not the practices, are equally > > > noble. This if > > > > you look at what they say and not on what they do. The "western > > > civilization" > > > > or indeed US, are in no way unique or better on this. > > > > > > > > Bush can be happy that he have no law license to loose for > lying > > > and > > > > obstructing. > > > > As I understand it, Clinton was never impeached, but it was > > > close. -:) > > > > > > > > I do think that breaking International laws, with aggression > etc. > > > are somewhat > > > > serious things. Good intentions are not an excuse for breaking > > > laws, if it > > > > would, the whole world fall in anarchy and violence and it > would > > > be able > > > > to defend. It will take a long time for US to recover its > standing. > > > > > > > > Hakan > > > > > > > > At 14:47 28/05/2004, you wrote: > > > > >Not most, some. And not me. This war is ugly and nasty and > will be > > > > >long and hard, but it is a civilizational struggle between > god's > > > > >alleged servants and the allegedly enlightened ones. You pick > > > which is > > > > >which. the only thing I know is that the two sides cannot > > > coexist, and > > > > >I want my side to win. Politically incorrect as it may be, I > think > > > > >that the ideals of western civilization (as opposed to its > common > > > > >practice) are superior to the ideals of fundamentalist radical > > > islam > > > > >(as they are now practiced in parts of the arab world). > > > > > > > > > >oh yeah, clinton was impeached (and lost his law license) for > > > perjury > > > > >and obstructing justice in a federal sexual harrassment case, > not > > > for > > > > >getting serviced in the oval office. > > > > > > > > > >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, jtcava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hakan, > > > > > > Most of us in the USA hate what the current regime is > doing > > > and would > > > > > > like nothing better than to see them all hang for war > crimes > > > and > > > > >treason. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > Hakan Falk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >US is a funny nation, who seriously try to impeach a > > > president for > > > > >sexual > > > > > > >reasons and admire a president who wage war and driving > the US > > > > >economy/debt > > > > > > >to its worst levels since the depression. LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hakan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! 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