--- arthur sauerhaft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Hi Keith,
I never thought it was possible to win ,but it
is still important
to keep fighting the fight, I posted this sight
http://skepdic.com/protocols.html as some
substantiation as to the
intent and origins of "the Protocols". Did you follow
the link? This
work was created as fiction that was distorted into
fact.
you state:
"Silly land grabs and commodity wars"? Silly? I guess
that's one way
of putting it. Indeed ideology is the biggest killer,
and it
certainly has a very great deal to do with "silly land
grabs and
commodity wars", which is in fact what his thread is
all about.
/*
this was what the thread was about, that has evolved.
you state:
*/We're all entitled to our opinions, and entitled to
express
them too, but when you're attempting to discredit
someone else's
view, which he's provided some substantiation for, it
needs a little
more than just an opinion and a contemptuous
slap-aside.
*are you saying "the Protocols" are legitimate?
I must admit, I've never heard of Godwin's Law, and
I've lost by that standard, but when if not in this
case is it appropriate to mention the Nazi's or
Hitler?
Is is that these things should never be spoken of, or
better yet forgotten?
You state:
*A couple of comments: First, because you personally
find it ugly and
hateful does not necessarily mean that those were its
intentions -
you assume that, fail to examine it, fail to establish
it, and then
lash out on an unsubstantiated basis with a personal
attack.
*My attack was substantiated by the using "the
Protocols" as a basis for his argument which further
my claim that his arguments are ugly and hateful.
you state:
*/*
*/By the way, "Lucifer" means "bearer of light", it
was Satan's name
and role before the Fall.
*I did not know that, but i believe my point was
clear.
Keith, did you choose not to post my replies to others
yesterday?
or was it part of list technical problems yesterday?
I still value my right to express my opinion, although
you may not agree with me on other issues or the way I
express myself, i know you we share at least that
common value.
-Arthur
*
Keith Addison wrote:
>Hello Arthur
>
>You lose!
>
>I suppose it's no big surprise that a thread such as
this should hit
>Godwin's Law, but it sure didn't take you long.
>
>In case you don't know it: "Godwin's Law prov.
[Usenet] "As a
>Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a
comparison
>involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a
tradition in
>many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is
over, and whoever
>mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever
argument was in
>progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees
the existence of
>an upper bound on thread length in those groups.
However there is
>also a widely- recognized codicil that any
intentional triggering of
>Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending
effects will be
>unsuccessful."
>
>Intentional or not, the thread isn't necessarily
over, but you definitely lose.
>
>A couple of comments: First, because you personally
find it ugly and
>hateful does not necessarily mean that those were its
intentions -
>you assume that, fail to examine it, fail to
establish it, and then
>lash out on an unsubstantiated basis with a personal
attack.
>
> From this and several other things, whether or not
this applies to
>Luc, it might well apply to you:
>
>
>
>>Yes , Luc this is
>>personal , people like you spread hatred and kill
far more people than
>>silly land grabs and commodity wars ever will.
>>
>>
>
>"Silly land grabs and commodity wars"? Silly? I guess
that's one way
>of putting it. Indeed ideology is the biggest killer,
and it
>certainly has a very great deal to do with "silly
land grabs and
>commodity wars", which is in fact what his thread is
all about.
>
>Now perhaps some sort of "my enemy's enemy is my
friend" type
>thinking may lead you to conclude that I'm defending
Luc. I'm not
>defending Luc, that's up to him, if he chooses to,
but I am attacking
>you.
>
>Whether you agree with it or not, Luc provided some
analysis and some
>references and links, which you dismiss as "proven
scams and hate
>literature" and liken them to "Mein Kampf". It just
doesn't work that
>way here. We're all entitled to our opinions, and
entitled to express
>them too, but when you're attempting to discredit
someone else's
>view, which he's provided some substantiation for, it
needs a little
>more than just an opinion and a contemptuous
slap-aside. So either
>add some substance to it, or don't expect to be
treated with any
>respect.
>
>By the way, "Lucifer" means "bearer of light", it was
Satan's name
>and role before the Fall.
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>
>>>I am reposting this because I accidently coppied
all/most of the
>>>
>>>
>>previous posting and was added to the end.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR WASTING BANDWIDTH ON THIS
RANT, PLEASE FORGIVE ME
>>
>>Luc,
>>I am Jewish and I am a Zionist.
>>I have tried to stay out of this ugly hateful thread
but I find myself
>>swept in because of your twisting of truths and
binding them to lies.
>>Jews who are not Zionists can mostly be divided into
two groups, those
>>that are not Zionist for theoligical reasons tied
into the coming of the
>>Messiah (like Rabbi Teitelbaum) , and "left wing
liberals" who in my
>>opinion care less about remaining Jewish and more
about being
>>respected in their circles as politically correct
Humanists. This is
>>material for another thread on another list. Rabbi
Teitlebaum is more
>>concerned about his small Chasidic sect being the
subject of secular
>>Jewish rulings that do not coincide with his
interpretation of
>>trditional Jewish law. I, as an observant Jew
respect his opinion but
>>I do not agree with it.
>>I would also argue that most Jews, secular and
observant, are Zionists
>>to different degrees. There are many different
definitions within the
>>Jewish community about what Zionism is , but the
central belief is
>>that Israel, as a Jewish state has the right to
exist. What it's
>>borders are and how it is governed is another
debate.
>>Your exceptional naivete (to be generous) and your
insensitivity to
>>regarding your previous posting quoting things like
the "Protocols of
>>the Elders of Zion" just proves your ignorance.
These documents are
>>proven scams and hate literature. I am suprised you
do not quote "Mein
>>Kampf"(sp?) and proclaim Hitler and the Grand
Inquisitors as tellers of
>>great truths.
>>You also probably wake up each morning(after
checking the horizon for
>>the "black helicopters of the Apocalypse) looking
for a reason why your
>>own life is unsatifactory and blame anyone but
yourself. It is so easy
>>to imagine all the forces of the world conspired
against you rather than
>>working out real solutions to your own shortcomings.
Yes , Luc this is
>>personal , people like you spread hatred and kill
far more people than
>>silly land grabs and commodity wars ever will.
>>Luc, you must take your name really seriously,
spreading hatred and lies
>>to the ignorant, isn't your name short for Lucifer.
>>-Arthur
>>
>>
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I am a neutral observer. To distinguish between what
is just and what is not. Jews have taken other
peoples' homes and have driven them out of their land.
i understand that all the arabs have accepted the fact
that Isreal is to exist. They have offered to live in
peace provided Isreal returns all the land it stole
from the arabs in 1967. Why have Jews rejected it?
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