Hello all. During the last couple of months I have collected WVO and fat from different sources. Now I know the very good quality of the oil I have collected before, from one adress. It must have been almost SVO. Trying to make BD, I had to go back to the start with the single stage base method, and even with that method I cannot get it right. My car rides on it, but the BD is not clear at all and when I whas it say 4 times, the water turns out clear, but the BD gets worse and worse. I would think there is a lot of soap in it, but I do not know how to avoid this. Titration is done with a very good expensive pH meter and also with pH paper. Now I am trying the foolproof method, but that also doesn't work. I must admit I panic a little, because I don't know what to do now. Can anyone help ? I would like to know a bit more about the chemical background of the foolproof method.
Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] 2 stage method questions > Hello Teoman > > >Sorry, just trying to avoid purchansing titration equipment. And get a > >good unerstanding of the processes before I start anything. > > If you read the previous messages I referred you to on this, you'd > see those two statements are incompatible. > > Anyway, how much would titration equipment cost you? Or how little > rather? You'll get it all back and more on what you save with your > first tankful. False economy. > > > I just got access to a highschool lab, if I bring my own chemicals and > >wash after I have used the equipment. > > Good, so start at the beginning then, single-stage base with virgin > oil, small test batches: > > "Where do I start?" > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start > > >I also had bought some isopropanol (%99 pure) with the phosphoric acid. > > > >Can and should I titrate larger quatities of wvo, should I mix them?? > > If you're going to process the mixture, sure, why not? On the other > hand, if something goes wrong and it's caused by oil from one source > and not the others it won't be very easy to discover the problem. > You'll have to go back to the beginning, titrate the oil from each > bach separately, and do small test batches with each. > > >Say I collect 10L each from three different sources, can I mix them and > >then titrate? Or do I have to titrate them separately? > > > >What about the denser white fat at the bottom? > > Depends what it is, tallow, hydrogenated, gunk. And whether you plan > to use the fuel in summer or winter. See: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html > Biodiesel in winter > > >Can I collect say one ton of wvo and then titrate it? > > Yes, but you're unlikely to be doing that before you've made your > first one-litre test batches with virgin oil. It's often said that > making biodiesel doesn't lend itself well to theorising - just do it. > Focus on doing it properly and learning as much as you can. Be > thorough. The more effort and care you put into doing it well and > developing good practices in the beginning the better off you'll be > later, it really pays off. When you have some hands-on experience > your forward planning and theorising will make a lot more sense. > > Best wishes > > Keith Addison > > > Previous: > > >>Teoman > >> > >>Please see this recent message (two days ago) on why you should not > >>be using the Foolproof method until you have a lot more experience. > >>It says so after all, right at the top of the page. You don't > >>believe it, or what? > >> > >>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/37345/ > >> > >>In fact I'll post it all again, in the hopes that maybe at long > >>long last somebody might take just a little notice and save > >>themselves a whole bunch of trouble, and also us: > >> > >>Please see: > >> > >>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37310/1/ > >> > >>Please read all six of the messages in the thread, including this: > >> > >>>The two-stage processes are not the place to start making biodiesel. > >>>It says right at the top of the page: "NOTE: The two-stage biodiesel > >>>processes are advanced methods, not for novices -- learn the basics > >>>thoroughly first. The single-stage base method is the place to start. > >>>Start here." > >>> > >>>Here being here - single stage, with new oil: > >>>"Where do I start?" > >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start > >>> > >>>There was some discussion about this at the list recently, please see > >>>these two previous posts: > >>> > >>>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35241/ > >>>Re: What went wrong? > >>> > >>>http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/35214/ > >>>Re: What went wrong? > >> > >>Thankyou. > >> > >>Keith Addison > >>Journey to Forever > >> > >> > >>>I have just bought some phosphoric acid which is rated at 87%, and the > >>>foolproof method says that it should be 10%, what should I do? Use less or > >>>dilute it (with what) > >>> > >>>8. Mix gently at LOW rpm (don't splash!) while keeping the temperature at 35 > >>>deg C. The rotation of your stirrer should not exceed 500 to 600 rpm -- > >>>speed is not crucial and splashed oil is a mess to clean. > >>> > >>>I didn't quite get this, why shouldn't it exceed 500-600 rpm?? What > >>>difference does it make? If I have a closed processor isnt stnadard mixing > >>>(via washingmachine pump or pool pump) good enough?? > >>> > >>>Thanks > >>> > >>>Teoman > >>> > >>>PS: Where can I Find a vaccum pump? Would a vaccum cleaner do? Or a vaccum > >>>pump for the brakes of a car? Howmany bars should the pump be? > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! 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