Hi Keith, et. al., Yes, that is what I had in mind. Kim had mentioned how much she valued the interaction on this list, something that I also value, and feel that many value. It is/has been an education and even an inspiration. At the same time, for the world in general, I feel that to move forward on many fronts we need something of a paradigm shift. I have also just about given up on the leadership of my home country (USA) and many others to actually lead us toward a better future. I see us stuck in a rut and going the wrong way extremely fast! I think the needed change will have to come from the bottom rather than from the top. I see the Internet as one way to promote communication between people, without intermediaries and their spin. Hakan mentioned the below quoted bit about the influence each person can have on so many others. This led me to think of the potential for global change that our conversations here on this list, across so many frontiers, cultures, religions, languages, etc., may possibly have.
Derek -------------- Original message from Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -------------- > Hello Derek > > >Hi, > > > ><> > > > > > > Yes, VERY many! And I don't believe you're passive about it, and not > > > without any effect. Your sister's not alone in wanting to leave, and > > > certainly not to be blamed for it either (not that I could blame > > > anyone for such a thing, with all my comings and goings for most of > > > my life!). But think of what Hakan's just been telling Luc about how > > > many other Iraqis one dead Iraqi will influence - one living American > > > who feels strongly about these things, even if she moves to Europe, > > > will influence just as many others: that's not to say convince, > > > necessarily, but influence, sway, yes. And there are many millions of > > > you. > > > >That has me wondering how many people about the world the almost > >3000 members of this List influence. > > Well, this is what Hakan said: > > >If you look at behavioral statistics for the humans, the mathematics > >goes like this, > > > >- On average a person will have and can manage around 10 very close > >relationship on the level of family and relatives. The 300,000 > >killed, represent 3 million who lost a family member, killed by US. > >If anyone killed members of your family, how good is the chance that > >you are more inclined to join the resistance, instead of giving the > >killers your "hearts and mind"? > > > >- On average a person have around 30 close friends, with frequent > >contacts. The 300,00 killed, represent that around 9 million people > >lost a friend, killed by US. If anyone killed your friend, how good > >is the chance that you are more inclined to join the resistance, > >instead of giving the killers your "hearts and mind"? > > > >- On average a person have around 60 people, that he/she know and > >have infrequent contacts with. The 300,000 killed, represent that > >around 18 million people knew someone killed by US. If anyone killed > >someone you knew, how good is the chance that you are more inclined > >to join the resistance, instead of giving the killers your "hearts > >and mind"? > > > >If you only think about the above, almost all Iraqis have been > >touched by a killing performed by US ... > > I'm sure Hakan's got it right, as usual. > > I read once that if four people sat down together at a table, between > them, and the people they knew, and the people *they* knew, and so on > and on, they were connected with everyone in the world... and I could > never figure out whether that was far-fetched or not. > > Maybe not. > > >Change only takes a few, and they're always there and ready for it > >when the time comes, when the time is right society responds and is > >renewed. > > Or as Margaret Mead said (and Toynbee, and Jung): "Never > underestimate the power > of a small group of individuals to change the world. In fact, it is > the only thing that ever has." > > We can but hope. > > Regards > > Keith > > >Derek Hargis > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > >robert luis rabello > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
