> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 03:02:27 -0400
> From: TarynToo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is
> There Blame?
> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
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> In captions on news photos of Orleans:
>       White people who were carrying boxes were
> 'scavenging'.
>       Black people who were carrying boxes were
> 'looting'.

It's theft no matter who's doing it...  I haven't
noticed any difference in coverage between which race
is stealing. That's not to say you haven't or that
there isn't something wrong with it when you have.  
 
> Both the white scavengers and the black looters were
> collecting stuff 
> that was certain to be a complete write-off for
> whomever owned it 
> before. Who cares if a wet TV ends up in someone's
> new cardboard home?

I care on several levels!  If it goes to that persons
insurance when it wouldn't have then it affects all
other insurance ratepayer(of that company/govt). 
Despite what the anarchists may say, there is
something to be said for the rule of law.  If it was
your store or home being looted I doubt we'd see you
there handing the stuff out since it's covered anyway.

> Robert Heinlein (I think) once said, "The punishment
> for stupidity is 
> death". If you're seeking consumer electronics
> instead of water, food, 
> and medicine, the Darwin effect is sure to get you.
> 
> When some poor fool gets caught with a few joints,
> more than once, we 
> toss him in prison for a long mandatory sentence,
> often evicting some 
> rapist or murderer who wasn't  mandatorily
> sentenced.
> When some rich fool gets caught defrauding 300
> million people, we 
> re-elect him.

No doubt!  It sickens me to see that rich get a slap
on the wrist or evade prosecution all together.  When
fined only a small percentage of the take so when that
1 yr stay at club fed is over it's back to the
Ritz.... disgusting.  

> Ok, that's my rant for the evening, g'night all.
> 
> taryn
> http://ornae.com/
> 
> 
> On Sep 1, 2005, at 10:57 PM,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Kim,
> >
> > You and Greg are not the only ones who feel that
> way.  I am just 
> > getting
> > caught up on the day's email, and I found that I
> agree more with you 
> > two
> > that most of the others on this particular topic. 
> If I lived in a
> > disaster-prone area, like Southern Louisiana,
> Florida, Southern 
> > California
> > or even Seattle/Tacoma area, I would certainly
> prepare for the worst.
> >
> > I also do not condemn the people who attempted to
> help themselves.  In 
> > fact,
> > I do feel sorry for those souls who did evacuate
> (or tried to) and now 
> > do
> > not know where their homes are still standing or
> have been stripped 
> > clean by
> > selfish looters.  I would gladly open my home to
> someone in that 
> > situation,
> > whether I knew them well or not.
> >
> > For those who stayed behind against the warnings
> of the weather experts
> > (including the non-governmental ones), state and
> local governments, 
> > don't
> > worry, the Fed's will come in and bail you out as
> they always do.  I 
> > just
> > hope that the local police get a copy of the news
> tapes showing the 
> > faces of
> > those looters carrying TVs & DVD players out of
> the abandoned stores.  
> > What
> > do you need a TV for when the power is expected to
> be out for weeks or
> > months?  It would be nice to see some prosecuted.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Earl Kinsley
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ----------------------------------
> > "Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned
> an invisible 
> > government
> > owing no allegiance and acknowledging no
> responsibility to the people. 
> > To
> > destroy this invisible government, to befoul the
> unholy alliance 
> > between
> > corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first
> task of the 
> > statesmen of
> > today."
> >  - President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Garth & Kim Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans.
> Is There Blame?
> >
> >
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> I am wondering, are Greg and I the only ones that
> feel frustration 
> >> with
> >> people who don't care about their lives, then
> expect someone else to 
> >> pick
> >> up the pieces?
> >>
> >> Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help
> themselves, just 
> >> those who
> >> don't.  I can remember my parents being irate
> with a neighbor when we 
> >> were
> >> growing up for the same kind of behavior.  There
> was a broken water 
> >> main
> >> and it flooded the basements of the houses.  The
> one guy on the street
> >> that
> >> was always bragging about his new toys, was the
> one that didn't have 
> >> the
> >> money to fix his house, because he didn't pay his
> insurance premiums. 
> >>  I
> >> mean, who expects a flood in Calgary, Alberta,
> Canada?  I am afraid 
> >> they
> >> were not very polite when someone came canvassing
> for money to help 
> >> the
> >> guy.
> >>
> >> How about:  God helps those who help themselves?
> >>
> >> I don't see that a rant against people who have
> endangered themselves 
> >> and
> >> others is out of line.
> >>
> >> And yes, I have already donated help and I am
> working on more for the
> >> people of Louisianna.
> >>
> >> Bright Blessings,
> >> Kim
> >> At 03:54 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure that there is a percentage of people
> who have exercised poor
> >>> judgment. Who hasn't exercised poor judgment?
> The irony here is how 
> >>> you
> >>> express less sympathy as the suffering from
> those mistakes gets 
> >>> worse.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> 



                
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