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No.
I'm saying that when specialist from the
field of meteorology say it's going to be a bad storm and they should evacuate
coastal areas, people should believe them.
I'm saying that when specialist from the
field of geology say that a any break in the levies would put 20 feet ( or
more ) of water in parts of New Orleans, people should believe
them.
I'm saying that when specialist from
the field of disaster relief and disaster preparedness, say not to expect any
direct help from the government for the first 72 hrs after a disaster, people
should believe them.
That is what I'm am saying.
What you are hearing from me is not a
matter of expressing less sympathy as the results of matters
getting worse, but, of extreme frustration on my part, from knowing,
that part of this suffering, did not have to happen, had more planning been
done.
" People don't plan to
fail. People just fail to plan ".
The more suffering I'm hearing about,
the more frustrated I am getting. I am extremely
frustrated about the whole situation, and there is not much more I can do, other
than I have already done, ( other than to warn other's ) and I don't like
it one little bit.
Greg H.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005
14:54
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New
Orleans. Is There Blame?
Whatever happened to "From Each According To His Abilities, To Each
According To His Needs"?
...oh, I forgot. That never really caught on in the US (sorry, couldn't
help myself).
So Greg, when you say stuff like "
"If people would pay attention when the experts tell them..."
Are you saying that we should scold them first, then help them? Maybe you
mean that they "made their bed" and now they should "lay in it" as the saying
goes.
"If people would pay attention when the experts tell them..."
You mean like, civil servants, in uniform like the police or something.
That's the funny part Greg. Those "experts" have been barking orders at
some of the people down there for decades. You would think that they would
listen and maybe trust them when they say something. By the way, ...ever watch
Mississippi Burning? ...great movie!
I'm sure that there is a percentage of people who have exercised poor
judgment. Who hasn't exercised poor judgment? The irony here is how
you express less sympathy as the suffering from those mistakes gets
worse.
Mike
"Manzo, Emil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
You
can either shrug it off or have compassion for a fellow human being.
Put
yourself in their place for a second (empathy). They are pleading
for
help even though you think they might not deserve it (have mercy).
That's
what drew me to this list in the first place; sharing information
freely
to help each other. We generate a synergy of ideas here greater
than any
one person. If my reactor catches fire because I made a stupid
mistake,
should I be dropped from the list? What I feel when I read your
posts
doesn't seem to fit. It bothers me. I'm sorry.
Regards,
Emil
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April
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:47
PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina
slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Yes.
If people live in an
area, they should learn of dangerous natural
occurrences ( quakes,
tornadoes, hurricanes, tidal waves, blizzards and
the
like ), and make
preparations for them.
Like I said in another post:
"I have no
issue with those that TRIED to do something to help them
selves
and
still got into trouble.
BUT I do have issues with those that did
NOTHING ( despite all the
warnings ) to help them selves then expect the
government and everyone
else
to drop what their doing and save them,
because they would rather buy a
case
of beer, than a bus
ticket.".
Dams fail, if people are not willing to accept that they
may only have 5
min
warning to get to higher ground, and may lose
everything they should not
live below a dam.
If people are going
to fly, they need to take it upon them selves to
find
out what kind of
aircraft they are going to be flying on and find out if
that model of
aircraft has a good history of flight safety, and then
take
the
personal responsibility to accept that sometimes the one in
a
million
chance actualy happens.
If one looks at the past one
can see that a given area is subject to
hurricanes and should prepare
accordingly.
If you live below sea level near a coast, expect the
fact that you have
a
chance of getting flooded. If you live within 50
ft of sea level near
a
coast, expect that the tidal surge could very
well reach you.
Empathy? My empathy is for the kids that couldn't
leave because of
ignorant parents and for the people that tried and still
failed. Not
for
someone that bought a case of beer, instead of a 5 gal
bucket of water
that
could save their life.
7 MRE's can keep a
person alive for 2 weeks, and cost about the same as
a
case of
beer.
If people would pay attention when the experts tell them not to
expect
help
after a disaster for at least 72 hrs, they would be allot
better off
putting
the money to a 72 hr kit than spending it to drink
that stupid beer.
With
a little ingenuity, 72 hr kits are not
expensive nor are they hard to
put
together, I have put several
together for my family.
If I had to leave the house:
I can with 5
min notice, keep my family of 4 going for 24 hrs.
With 20 min notice, I
can keep my family going 72 hrs, with some
shelter.
With an 1 hour
notice, I can keep my family going for more than 2 weeks
in
some
comfort.
With 1 day of notice, I can hook up with a couple of friends and
my 2
sisters, and live comfortably for a month with out any other
assistance.
If I don't have to leave the house, I'm good for 1 month
in the winter,
and
4+ months in the summer.
I do not live in a
flood plain.
I have a little multi-fuel stove, that can burn any
liquid fuel, and a
fireplace that can burn any solid fuel ( I have a
little wood stove I
could
install in a day or so ), to cook
food.
I scrounged most of the materials and built a safe room in the
basement.
I have three 55 gal barrels filled with water, plus enough
containers
for
another 500 gal of water ( and that is not counting the
55 gal water
heater ).
I have a chain saw and enough fuel to keep
it going for a week strait.
I also have a 5ft cross cut timber saw, a
couple of axes, a maul and
some
splitting wedges, and know how to make
wood wedges ( done it several
times
when my metal wedges were stuck or
not available ).
I'll say it now:
If anyone on this list,
would like help putting together a 72 hr kit, I
would be more than happy
to give any help I can!
In part it's a little like learning to make
BioDiesel because the
DinoDiesel
is running out.
Just remember,
is going to be extremely hard to put one together,
during
an
emergency, so do it before it occurs.
Greg
H.
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