Actually Bob, We both know that what was written was far from irrelevant in light of your heavily "nuanced" statement that those who tend to think of the possible (or at least the "chemtrail" possibility) are essentially paranoid.
What I pointed out was the fact that on numerous occassions what was previously deemed to be unthinkable has been revealed to be actual fact, replete with wanton collusion, fraud and wreckless disregard for human life. And even when found out, the rationale is what? That those who object aren't looking at the "bigger picture?" Enter Josef Mengele..., all for the greater good, right? So one would think that knowing what you know and in light of the historical record of deviant human behaviors, you might be a little less half-cocked and not so flip with your dismissals. Something as simple as aerial dispersal of unknown materials upon an unaware public is completely within the realm of reason, and in fact, it's already been accomplished on a number of occassions. Google search "Green Run" and then follow up on the numerous other intentional releases for "research." And as you well know, absence of proof is not proof of absence, as all the examples provided in my post unerrantly point out. But you'd rather declare the thoughts of those who perceive such as being paranoid. This game of "plausible denial," or just flat out denial, that you play is devious, destructive, distracting and fraudulently manipulative, no matter whether it is intentional or not. And we both can be pretty sure that it's not exactly unintentional. As for > If I use your logic, I have to construe that you accept every claim > regardless of source, or physical possibility, rational or not, as valid. Not at all McDuff. You don't have to construe any such thing. In fact, if you do, you're playing a little fast and loose with the rules of logic, much less how I would and do apply them. To deny, disregard and vaguely denegrate as flippantly as you do is foolhardy, deceptive, distracting and even illogical, especially in light of what has transpired in nearly inumerable instances and is no doubt occurring somewhere, in some venue or another, several times over as this is being typed. The same can also be said about those who openly accept every claim as being irrefutable fact. While you may take the route of glib dismissal, I'd rather keep one eye open and half a wit aware should ever a confirming slip of proof (paper trail or other) be stumbled across, as all things are possible, plausible, and all too often probable when dealing with the aberrance of the human mind. Todd Swearingen >Todd, other than everything you wrote was irrelevant to my writing, I >agree with you whole-heartedly. My comments were directed at fears of >"chemtrails" , which I stand by as paranoia until I see a lot more >proof. Show me some evidence that the observed chemtrails are something >other than the usual vapor trails emitted from jets. Show me a rational >as to why someone or some entity would be doing such a thing. For >profit? meanness? world domination? I just do not see much motive, do you? > >more below > > >Appal Energy wrote: > > >>Uhhhh....., let's see Bob, >> >>Paranoia is it? >> >>You seem to forget at minimum thirty years of using thousand of US >>citizens as human guinea pigs for radioactive materials testing. That >>nasty little "paranoid" conspiracy theory unraveled in the early 90's. >>http://www.ippnw.org/MGS/V1N1McCally.html >> >> > >You're preaching to the choir, here as I agree. > > > > >>You seem to forget the thousands of US military personel exposed during >>Operation Crossroads as well as thousands more intentionally positioned >>to observe atmospheric detonations of nuclear weapons at the Nevada test >>sites, not to mention the forty years of denial and deceit that followed. >> >> > >agreed > > >>Let's forget the decades that literally millions of US citizens were >>exposed to fad, over-the-counter drugs containing radium, such as >>Dentarium, Ointarium, Kaparium, Linarium and just plain Arium, or the >>water "elixir" labeled "Radithor." They were all being deemed perfectly >>safe and denials were issued by all private and government entities >>fifteen years after people started dropping like flies and up to the >>very days that each was separately pulled from the market.. >> >> > >agreed > > > >>You seem to forget that for thirty-eight years, between 1932 and 1970, >>the US Public Health Service and the Tuskegee Institute conducted >>studies on 399 black men diagnosed with syphilis. They intentionally >>withheld treatment and diagnostic information from these men for >>decades, treating them with "placebos" and setting up elaborate "free >>medical" schemes to keep their "study group" from venturing out of their >>purview so that they could maintain the "integrity" of their data. >> >> > >agreed > > > >>And even with such a dispersed yet long-lived historical track record >>and monumental data sets, you continually poo-poo and dismiss all >>reports or concerns of all other deceit and debilitating chicanery >> >> > >No Todd, I don't. > > > as if > > >>claims of such are the ravings of lunatics. >> >> > > You are extrapolating to what is not there. I have never made such >all encompassing claims. > > >If I use your logic, I have to construe that you accept every claim >regardless of source, or physical possibility, rational or not, as valid. > >(plans for tinfoil helmets to protect from alien attempts to control our > minds are forthcoming.) :>) > > > >>Nonsense. >> >>One of us is either really gullible or really stupid Bob. >> >> > > >I guess I'll have to leave that to you as to which of us is what. I >think it is plain stupid or gullible or both to not make a distinction >between what I think is real and what is not. > > > You if you > > >>don't believe precisely what cold and calculated depths concerted public >>and private interests are capable of stooping to, and me if I accept >>your overly eager dismissals of anything and everything >> >> > >not every thing and anything, I try to be selective. Shouldn't you? > >as being nothing > > >>more than "paranoia." >> >>Todd Swearingen >> >> >> > >and have a nice day, too Todd. > > > >>** >> >>bob allen wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>woo-woo alert! >>> >>> >>>Charles Tounah wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>As far as the grey layer of crud that's built up in >>>>the atmosphere, there have been airplanes whose sole >>>>apparent purpose has been to lay that grey layer down >>>>in the atmosphere. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>oh really? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>I have personally observed them in >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>many different cities, even in different countries, >>>>for about the last five years. The phenomenon is >>>>called chemtrails, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>other than usual exhaust emissions- water vapor, CO2, and trace >>>combustion products such as NOX, what is there? >>> >>> >>>and you can find a whole education >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>on the internet regarding it. www.carnicom.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>woo-woo. woo-woo. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>(which I have not visited in years) is probably the >>>>most well-known. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>sorry for my sarcasm, but I will save my worrying over reality, and >>>leave the really paranoid speculation to others. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Charles Tounah >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
