Maybe I could just throw the BD into the reactor tank and warm it up first. I do that sometimes anyway to clear cloudy BD.
I would NOT count on a camping stove to light on BD the trail, unless you are in Arizona in July! Joe Street wrote: > Hi Ken; > > It's not a matter of re-jetting as I said the fuel has to be boiling > in the generator tube so that it is vapour which reaches the jet not > liquid. As long as there is enough heat it works great. Given enough > time a sterno flame can no doubt heat things enough but the problem is > generally the preheat fuel (sterno or whatever) burns itself out > before everything is hot enough. You could probably just re-prime it > maybe twice or three times before trying to light?? > > Joe > > Ken Dunn wrote: > >>Well that's bummer-style news there, Joe. I was hoping to use a >>multi-fuel stove on the trail as well as for preheating my biodiesel >>process. Of course, I suppose it would still be an improvement to use >>the stove for preheating wvo to make biodiesel even with the propane >>used from the torch to preheat the stove. Better than electricity or >>another petro based liquid fuel through out the whole process. Have >>you made any attempts to change the jet size on the stove? Would that >>be a worthwhile endeavor? How about adding acetone? (just kidding). >> >> >> >>On 12/6/06, Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> I use jellied alcohol (like sterno but runny) for pre heating my stove on >>>the trail. It wasn't enough heat for the biodiesel though. Even with >>>kerosene it takes a prolonged period of preheat with sterno to light the >>>stove. If you turn the fuel valve on prematurely you get liquid coming out >>>the jet rather than vapor and then the liquid just burns with an awful sooty >>>yellow flame. With naptha (white gas) starting is a snap. With kerosene it >>>takes careful preparation, a wind screen and enough sterno. With BD it >>>takes a torch! >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> Ken Dunn wrote: >>> >>> Just selfishly thinking outloud...I wonder if it would be possible to >>>pre-preheat it with a Sterno. >>> >>>On 12/6/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> What was the temperature outside? I tried that with a torch and got a >>>few sputters but no flame. >>>Is kerosene the most logical agent to cut the BD with? >>> >>>Joe Street wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Mike >>> >>>For what it's worth I tried running my multifuel backpacking stove on >>>BD. I had to warm the preheater / vaporizer tube with a propane torch >>>to get it hot enough to vaporize the BD. Once lit though it had a >>>beautiful and stable blue flame and judging by boil time comparisons >>>roughly the same heat as kerosene. Esters have a high flash point and >>>need a lot of heat to use in a stove that is designed to supply vapor >>>to the jet. >>> >>>Joe >>> >>>Mike Weaver wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> So far all attempts to light it have failed. It's 30 degrees here and >>>that may have something to do with it. I cut the BD w/ a good shot of >>>Dino diesel and still no go. I got the preheater going but no flame on >>>the ring. I brought it inside overnight to warm up and will try it >>>again. If it doesn't go I'll mix in some kerosene. The booklet says >>>you have to preheat for 3 1/2 mins sometimes to get BD lit. It came >>>smelling of kerosene to I expect the factory lit it and tested it. FWIW >>>the pressure gauge is bad but it does hold pressure. >>> >>>I had hoped to use it to heat oil so the the bd process was all fueled >>>by BD. >>> >>>I also looked at some of the camping stoves but they are very expensive >>>and designed to be as light weight as possible. The guy at the camping >>>store said the thinner distillates works best. >>> >>>We'll see, >>> >>>Mike >>> >>>Ken Dunn wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please, let us know how it does, Mike. >>> >>>Take care, >>> >>> >>>On 12/5/05, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Just got a Britelyt today. Haven't been able to get it to light on BD >>>but I think it may be due to the fuel being too cold. Will report back >>>if I get it going. >>> >>> >>>Ken Dunn wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> What is everyone using as a heat source for preheating? I'm thinking >>>about buying the BriteLyt mentioned on JtF. I could use it for other >>>purposes as well which would be nice. Anyone test it? 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