The acronym stands for "the end of the world as we know it" doug
JJJN wrote: >Excuse me Doug but could you let me know what > >TEOTWAWKI > >is and what happens when it happens? > >I feel perfectly ignorant, > >Jim > >doug swanson wrote: > > > >>I agree that in tight times, basic or even primitive skills are more >>valuable than gold. Basics in Agriculture, animal husbandry, health >>maintenance, knowing how to preserve food without supplies you'd have to >>get at a grocer's store, blacksmithing, wood working, etc. are all >>skills that should be present in what I see as being a new birth of >>communities which will establish themselves once TEOTWAWKI happens. >> >>Energy systems can be a large part of this, since my wood heater >>currently relies on a chainsaw to supply fuel, and my biodiesel relies >>on restaurant "wastes" and petro-derived methanol, and industry produced >>hydroxides, I still don't feel that my current situation is >>sustainable. Solar makes a lot of sense in my location, and I've been >>working in that direction, but with a twist. The 10' parabolic >>collector can collect a lot of heat, and rather than convert it >>immediately to electricity, which I'd then have to store in some sort of >>battery (with all the problems that batteries come with, ie. disposal >>when they don't work anymore, and then having to acquire new ones..., ) >>it makes better sense to store the heat from the collector in 55 gallon >>drums of water, which can actually make up the rear greenhouse wall... >> >>I've been studying Stirling engines for some time now, guess I've read >>everything that Google can show me about them, crammed all the ideas >>into my head, noted the major disadvantages of most of them, (They've >>got to be airtight, precision power piston, most aren't self-starting, >>etc...) and have come up with a design that addresses these problems, >>and eliminates them by integrating much of the engine into 3 moving >>parts. Heat goes in, electricity comes out. I really would like to >>build the prototype, but can't afford a machine shop to make a couple of >>its parts. Maybe someone on this list has the right tools to make the >>parts, and would like to see more detailed plans on this. Eventually, >>when a working prototype is producing electricity, the plans with step >>by step guidance will be under the "open information license" The point >>of the whole system is that wherever possible, the parts should be stuff >>that can be found at the junkyard, and that when completed, a home power >>generation system is running for under 3-400 bucks. Adding another >>collector just for home heat would be even simpler, under floor heat >>circulation would increase the cost due to plumbing, thermostat control, >>etc., but if the hot water was just circulated through a radiator >>(junkyard again) with a fan behind it, the home could be comfortable >>without huge expense. >> >>The efficiency of a Stirling engine makes it a potential candidate for a >>hybrid vehicle, and I've been working on something along that line also, >>but first things first... >> >>Any ideas are welcome, anything I can do to help pull us out of the mess >>this planet is in, I will do. >> >>doug swanson >> >> >> >>Jason& Katie wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>you dont need money if you can supply a need. i know more than just fuel, i >>>can build just about anything a person would have as a daily need. house, >>>furniture, small macines, engine repair, anyone with a skill is pretty well >>>safe. it is the people who have never had to work a day in their life (CEO's >>>and politicians) that are screwed. >>>Jason >>>ICQ#: 154998177 >>>MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>>Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 9:01 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US "could be going bankrupt" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Um, it's not really "they" it's "us" too... >>>> >>>>Jason& Katie wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>good. its about time. if i were to spend money like that, and then >>>>>piddle away my savings and retirement, i would have been bankrupt 2 or >>>>>3 times in the last year, so why should they get away with it? >>>>> >>>>>Jason >>>>>ICQ#: 154998177 >>>>>MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* Kirk McLoren <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> *To:* biofuel <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2006 6:04 PM >>>>> *Subject:* [Biofuel] {Disarmed} Telegraph - US "could be going >>>>> bankrupt" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2006/07/14/cnusa14.xml >>>>> >>>>> US 'could be going bankrupt' >>>>> By Edmund Conway, Economics Editor >>>>> (Filed: 14/07/2006) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The United States is heading for bankruptcy, according to an >>>>> extraordinary paper published by one of the key members of the >>>>> country's central bank. >>>>> A ballooning budget deficit and a pensions and welfare timebomb >>>>> could send! the economic superpower into insolvency, according to >>>>> research by Professor Laurence Kotlikoff for the Federal Reserve >>>>> Bank of St Louis, a leading constituent of the US Federal Reserve. >>>>> Prof Kotlikoff said that, by some measures, the US is already >>>>> bankrupt. "To paraphrase the Oxford English Dictionary, is the >>>>> United States at the end of its resources, exhausted, stripped >>>>> bare, destitute, bereft, wanting in property, or wrecked in >>>>> consequence of failure to pay its creditors," he asked. >>>>> According to his central analysis, "the US government is, indeed, >>>>> bankrupt, insofar as it will be unable to pay its creditors, who, >>>>> in this context, are current and future generations to whom it has >>>>> explicitly or implicitly promised future net payments of various >>>>> kinds''. >>>>> The budget deficit in the US is not massive. The Bush >>>>> administration this week cut its forecasts for the fiscal >>>>> shortfall this year by almost a third, saying it will come in at >>>>> 2.3pc of gross domestic product. This is smaller than most >>>>> European countries - including the UK - which have deficits north >>>>> of 3pc of GDP. >>>>> Prof Kotlikoff, who teaches at Boston University, says: "The >>>>> proper way to consider a country's solvency is to examine the >>>>> lifetime fiscal burdens facing current and future generations. If >>>>> these burdens exceed the resources of those generations, get close >>>>> to doing so, or simply get so high as to preclude their full >>>>> collection, the country's policy will be unsustainable and can >>>>> constitute or lead to national bankruptcy. >>>>> "Does the United States fit this bill? No one knows for sure, but >>>>> there are strong reasons to believe the United States may be going >>>>> broke." >>>>> Experts have calculated that the country's long-term "fiscal gap" >>>>> between all future government spending and all future receipts >>>>> will widen immensely as the Baby Boomer generation retires, and as >>>>> the amount the state will have to spend on healthcare and pensions >>>>> soars. The total fiscal gap could be an almost incomprehensible >>>>> $65.9 trillion, according to a study by Professors Gokhale and >>>>> Smetters. >>>>> The figure is massive because President George W Bush has made >>>>> major tax cuts in recent years, and because the bill for Medicare, >>>>> which provides health insurance for the elderly, and Medicaid, >>>>> which does likewise for the poor, will increase greatly due to >>>>> demographics. >>>>> Prof Kotlikoff said: "This figure is more than five times US GDP >>>>> and almost twice the size of national wealth. One way to wrap >>>>> one's head around $65.9trillion is to ask what fiscal adjustments >>>>> are needed to eliminate this red hole. The answers are terrifying. >>>>> One solution is an immediate and permanent doubling of personal >>>>> and corporate income taxes. Another is an immediate and permanent >>>>> two-thirds cut in Social Security and Medicare benefits. A third >>>>> alternative, were it feasible, would be to immediately and >>>>> permanently cut all federal discretionary spending by 143pc." >>>>> The scenario has serious implications for the dollar. If investors >>>>> lose confidence in the US's future, and suspect the country may at >>>>> some point allow inflation to erode away its debts, they may >>>>> reduce their holdings of US Treasury bonds. >>>>> Prof Kotlikoff said: "The United States has experienced high rates >>>>> of inflation in the past and appears to be running the same type >>>>> of fiscal policies that engendered hyperinflations in 20 countries >>>>> over the past century." >>>>> Paul Ashworth, of Capital Economics, was more sanguine about the >>>>> coming retirement of the Baby Boomer generation. "For a start, the >>>>> expected deterioration in the Federal budget owes more to rising >>>>> per capita spending on health care than to changing demographics," >>>>> he said. >>>>> "This can be contained if the political will is there. Similarly, >>>>> the expected increase in social security spending can be >>>>> controlled by reducing the growth rate of benefits. Expecting a >>>>> fix now is probably asking too much of short-sighted politicians >>>>> who have no incentives to do so. But a fix, or at least a >>>>> succession of patches, will come when the problem becomes more >>>>> pressing." >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Open multiple messages at once with the all new Yahoo! 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