I think it's closer to two billion a week...and there a surprising number of Democrats in on the goodies at Carlyle...
Bob Molloy wrote: > Hi Fred, > You mentioned a running "debt' of two billion a month > to support the Iraq venture but omitted to say that the money is not > spent there, it's spent in the good ole US of A. The dollars go to the > various members of the Carlyle Group whose military/industrial complex > supplies American forces worldwide. For Carlisle Group read Bush, > Cheny, the Saudi family and a scattering of the top hierarchy of the > Republican Party. You didn't think the war was really about Bin Ladin, > did you? Google "Carlyle Group for details. > Regards, > Bob. > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Fred Finch <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2006 10:46 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Disney > > Let me get this straight... > > We goto Afganistan to get OBL, which had bipartisan support... > > But get sidetracked into Iraq to get "WMD" that never existed, had > limited support, to get the inspectors back into Iraq, but went in > because Saddam let the inspectors back in, to free an oppressed > people in a war that would "last less than 6 months" and have > nearly "Zero casualties," to bring democracy to the middle east, > and bring specialists from Afganistan to get all the bad guys in > Iraq, and have 2600+ American military casualties, plus countless > Iraqi deaths, and civil war, and insurgents, debt to the tune of 2 > billion a month, with limited water and electrical service... etc. > > What were we looking for in Afganistan again? > > When you get outmatched in a fight that you should not have > started in the first place, it is worse than leaving the fight. > America is getting it's international backside handed to them on a > platter and you say that cutting and running is a bad idea. > > Well, let's stay the course then, > > you go first. > > fred > > On 9/11/06, *Gregg Davidson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > *While I do not subscribe to your theory that all presidents > are idiots, I do think that some are a lot smarter than > others. When you run away from a bully, you only embolden him > that much more. I hope that it DOES NOT take another 9/11 to > wake folks up. * > > > */Jason& Katie <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* > wrote: > oh, PLEASE, you two. why cant we agree that all presidents are > idiots no > matter how many degrees they have(or dont have), and also > agree that the > present one has stepped in a pretty big pile. and "we the > people" usually > get caught in the middle regardless of affiliation,? > this would be a REAL step in the right direction. > Jason > ICQ#: 154998177 > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gregg Davidson > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney > > > > > Mike Weaver wrote: > Yeah! And I wish Clinton's legacy would stop forcing us to > borrow all > that money - what is it - 2 billion a week? > > And I'm really mad about Clinton's Legacy making up all those > stories > about WMD in Iraq! "Der Schlickmeister" didn't make up any > stories during > his reign. Everything he said was honest to God fact. > > And I really wish Clinton's Legacy would follow through on its > promise > to catch Osama bin Laden. I do too. He was only interested in > getting BJ's > in the "Oral Orifice". > > Stop it, Clinton's Legacy, Stop it now! You're all to blame. > I'm not at > fault, I wasn't dumb enough to vote for him. > > > > > > > Gregg Davidson wrote: > >> I hope Disney grows some major cojones, ones the size of 16lb > bowling >> balls, calls the Democrat/Liberal bluff, & runs the mini series >> anyway. Sounds to me like the Clinton Admistration's Legacy > will stand >> up to what's in the mini series like a vampire does to sunlight. >> >> */Mike Weaver /* wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic > leadership of >> the US >> >Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of >> Disney, it's >> >not even >> >funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, both legal and > legislative, >> >against >> >Disney. US Senators don't make threats like this, especially the >> entire >> >Democratic leadership en masse, unless they mean it. Disney > is in >> serious >> >trouble. >> > >> >Read it, then read my analysis of it below: >> >September 7, 2006 >> > >> >Mr. Robert A. Iger >> >President and CEO >> >The Walt Disney Company >> >500 South Buena Vista Street >> >Burbank CA 91521 >> > >> >Dear Mr. Iger, >> > >> >We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming >> broadcast of The >> >Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless >> reports from >> >experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate > numerous and >> serious >> >inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the >> American people >> >about the >> >tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. >> Furthermore, >> >the >> >manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and >> advertised >> >suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like >> Disney and a >> >major and >> >well respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge > you to >> >cancel > > >this broadcast to cease Disney's plans to use it as a teaching > >> tool in >> >schools >> >across America through Scholastic. Presenting such deeply > flawed and >> >factually inaccurate misinformation to the American public > and to >> children >> >would be a >> >gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility to >> the law, >> >to >> >your shareholders, and to the nation. >> > >> >The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free >> broadcast >> >license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your > principle >> >obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in > serving the >> >public interest. >> >Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in >> the duty >> >of >> >broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by > promoting >> an open >> >and accurate discussion of political ideas and events. >> > >> >Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 > Commission >> >Report >> >and are using that assertion as part of the promotional campaign >> for it. >> >The >> >9/11 Commission is the most respected American authority on > the 9/11 >> >attacks, >> >and association with it carries a special responsibility. > Indeed, >> the very >> >events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, demand > extreme >> care by >> >any >> >who attempt to use those events as part of an entertainment or >> educational >> >program. To quote Steve McPhereson, president of ABC > Entertainment, >> >"When you >> >take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an >> important > > >event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right." > >> > >> >Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong. >> > > > >Despite claims by your network's representatives that The Path > >> to 9/11 >> >is >> >based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, 9/11 Commissioners >> themselves, >> >as >> >well as other experts on the issues, disagree. >> > >> >Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 >> Commissioners >> >who > > >recently viewed the program, said, "As we were watching, we > > were trying > > >to > > >think how they could have misinterpreted the 9/11 Commission's > > findings > > >the way > > >that they had." ["9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate > > and > > >Biased," > >> >New York Times, September 6, 2006] >> > >> >Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a > national >> security >> >advisor to ABC has described the program as "deeply flawed" >> and said >> >of the > > >program's depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an > > intelligence > > >agent, > > >"It's 180 degrees from what happened." ["9/11 Miniseries Is > > >Criticized as > > >Inaccurate and Biased," New York Times, September 6, 2006] > >> > >> >Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and > served as a >> >consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway through because, > > "he > > >thought they > > >were making things up." [MSNBC, September 7, 2006] > >> > >> >Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the >> miniseries, has > > >admitted that scenes in the film are fictionalized. ["9/11 > > Miniseries Is > > >Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased," New York Times, September > >> 6, 2006] >> > >> >That Disney would seek to broadcast an admittedly and proven > false >> >recounting of the events of 9/11 raises serious questions > about the >> >motivations of its >> >creators and those who approved the deeply flawed program. >> Finally, that >> >Disney plans to air commercial-free a program that reportedly >> cost it $40 >> >million to produce serves to add fuel to these concerns. >> > >> >These concerns are made all the more pressing by the political >> leaning of >> >and the public statements made by the writer/producer of this >> miniseries, >> >Mr. >> >Cyrus Nowrasteh, in promoting this miniseries across > conservative >> blogs >> >and >> >talk shows. >> > >> >Frankly, that ABC and Disney would consider airing a program > that >> could be >> >construed as right-wing political propaganda on such a grave and >> important >> >event involving the security of our nation is a discredit > both to >> the >> >Disney >> >brand and to the legacy of honesty built at ABC by honorable >> individuals >> >from >> >David Brinkley to Peter Jennings. Furthermore, that Disney would >> seek to >> >use >> >Scholastic to promote this misguided programming to American >> children as a >> >substitute for factual information is a disgrace. >> > > > >As 9/11 Commission member Jamie Gorelick said, "It is > critically > >> >important >> >to the safety of our nation that our citizens, and particularly >> our school > > >children, understand what actually happened and why – so that > >> we can >> >proceed >> >from a common understanding of what went wrong and act with > unity >> to make >> >our > > >country safer." > >> > >> >Should Disney allow this programming to proceed as planned, the >> factual >> >record, millions of viewers, countless schoolchildren, and the >> reputation >> >of >> >Disney as a corporation worthy of the trust of the American >> people and >> >the >> >United States Congress will be deeply damaged. We urge you, > after >> full >> >consideration of the facts, to uphold your responsibilities as a >> respected >> >member of >> >American society and as a beneficiary of the free use of the > public >> >airwaves to >> >cancel this factually inaccurate and deeply misguided > program. We >> look >> >forward to hearing back from you soon. >> > >> >Sincerely, >> > >> >Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid >> >Assistant Democratic Leader Dick Durbin >> >Senator Debbie Stabenow >> >Senator Charles Schumer >> >Senator Byron Dorgan >> >The Senate Democratic leadership just threatened Disney's > broadcast >> >license. >> >Not the use of the word "trustee" at the beginning of the > letter and >> >"trust" >> >at the end. This is nothing less than an implicit threat that if >> Disney >> >tries to meddle in the US elections on behalf of the > Republicans, >> they >> >will pay a >> >very serious price when the Democrats get back in power, or even >> before. >> > >> >This raises the stakes incredibly for Disney. >> > >> >The Society that tries to find rationality in the acts of >> irrational men is >> >largely a waste of time... >> >les aaron >> > >> >THE COMMITTEE FOR POSITIVE CHANGE >> > www.lesaaron.blogspot.com <http://www.lesaaron.blogspot.com> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! >> http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG > <http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG> >> >> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:57:04 EDT >> Subject: [OnlineDemocrats] (no subject) >> >> Maybe there's a hidden little spine tucked away somewhere in the >> Democrat leadership's collection back. They normally roll > over and >> play dead for the repugs and the media but it seems like this > has >> hit a bit of a raw nerve. Seems like there might still be a > little >> life left in the old dogs after all. >> *Jim Langford >> **"Being a patriot no longer requires a cannon. But it still > takes >> balls". Glen Greenwald* >> ** >> /_Thursday, September 07, 2006 >> _/ >> *Senate Democratic leadership threatens Disney with legal and >> legislative sanctions* >> >> >> *by John in DC* - 9/07/2006 06:02:00 PM >> >> *This letter was sent today by the entire Democratic > leadership of >> the US Senate. This letter is such a major shot across the bow of >> Disney, it's not even funny. It is FILLED with veiled threats, >> both legal and legislative, against Disney. US Senators don't > make >> threats like this, especially the entire Democratic > leadership en >> masse, unless they mean it. Disney is in serious trouble. >> >> Read it, then read my analysis of it below: * >> >> *September 7, 2006 >> >> Mr. Robert A. Iger >> President and CEO >> The Walt Disney Company >> 500 South Buena Vista Street >> Burbank CA 91521 >> >> Dear Mr. Iger, >> >> We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming >> broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and >> 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the >> program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will >> undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the >> tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. >> Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been >> developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent >> unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well >> respected news organization like ABC. We therefore urge you to > > cancel this broadcast to cease Disney's plans to use it as a > >> teaching tool in schools across America through Scholastic. >> Presenting such deeply flawed and factually inaccurate >> misinformation to the American public and to children would be >> a gross miscarriage of your corporate and civic responsibility >> to the law, to your shareholders, and to the nation. >> >> The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a >> free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental >> understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee >> of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere >> is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the >> duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy >> by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political >> ideas and events. >> >> Disney and ABC claim this program to be based on the 9/11 >> Commission Report and are using that assertion as part of the >> promotional campaign for it. The 9/11 Commission is the most >> respected American authority on the 9/11 attacks, and >> association with it carries a special responsibility. Indeed, >> the very events themselves on 9/11, so tragic as they were, >> demand extreme care by any who attempt to use those events as >> part of an entertainment or educational program. To quote > > Steve McPhereson, president of ABC Entertainment, "When you > >> take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an >> important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it > > right." > >> >> Unfortunately, it appears Disney and ABC got it totally wrong. >> > > Despite claims by your network's representatives that The > >> Path to 9/11 is based on the report of the 9/11 Commission, >> 9/11 Commissioners themselves, as well as other experts on the >> issues, disagree. >> >> Richard Ben-Veniste, speaking for himself and fellow 9/11 > > Commissioners who recently viewed the program, said, "As we > >> were watching, we were trying to think how they could have > > misinterpreted the 9/11 Commission's findings the way that > > they had." ["9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate > > and Biased," New York Times, September 6, 2006] > >> >> Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a >> national security advisor to ABC has described the program as > > "deeply flawed" and said of the program's depiction of a > >> Clinton official hanging up on an intelligence agent, > > "It's 180 degrees from what happened." ["9/11 > > Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate and Biased," New York > >> Times, September 6, 2006] >> >> Reports suggest that an FBI agent who worked on 9/11 and >> served as a consultant to ABC on this program quit halfway > > through because, "he thought they were making things up." > >> [MSNBC, September 7, 2006] >> >> Even Thomas Kean, who serves as a paid consultant to the >> miniseries, has admitted that scenes in the film are > > fictionalized. ["9/11 Miniseries Is Criticized as Inaccurate > > and Biased," New York Times, September 6, 2006] > >> >> That Disney would seek to broadcast an admittedly and proven >> false recounting of the events of 9/11 raises serious >> questions about the motivations of its creators and those who >> approved the deeply flawed program. Finally, that Disney plans >> to air commercial-free a program that reportedly cost it $40 >> million to produce serves to add fuel to these concerns. >> >> These concerns are made all the more pressing by the political >> leaning of and the public statements made by the >> writer/producer of this miniseries, Mr. Cyrus Nowrasteh, in >> promoting this miniseries across conservative blogs and talk >> shows. >> >> Frankly, that ABC and Disney would consider airing a program >> that could be construed as right-wing political propaganda on >> such a grave and important event involving the security of our >> nation is a discredit both to the Disney brand and to the >> legacy of honesty built at ABC by honorable individuals from >> David Brinkley to Peter Jennings. Furthermore, that Disney >> would seek to use Scholastic to promote this misguided >> programming to American children as a substitute for factual >> information is a disgrace. >> > > As 9/11 Commission member Jamie Gorelick said, "It is > >> critically important to the safety of our nation that our >> citizens, and particularly our school children, understand > > what actually happened and why – so that we can proceed from > >> a common understanding of what went wrong and act with unity > > to make our country safer." > >> >> Should Disney allow this programming to proceed as planned, >> the factual record, millions of viewers, countless >> schoolchildren, and the reputation of Disney as a corporation >> worthy of the trust of the American people and the United >> States Congress will be deeply damaged. We urge you, after >> full consideration of the facts, to uphold your >> responsibilities as a respected member of American society and >> as a beneficiary of the free use of the public airwaves to >> cancel this factually inaccurate and deeply misguided program. >> We look forward to hearing back from you soon. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid >> Assistant Democratic Leader Dick Durbin >> Senator Debbie Stabenow >> Senator Charles Schumer >> Senator Byron Dorgan* >> >> *The Senate Democratic leadership just threatened Disney's >> broadcast license. Not the use of the word "trustee" at the >> beginning of the letter and "trust" at the end. This is nothing >> less than an implicit threat that if Disney tries to meddle > in the >> US elections on behalf of the Republicans, they will pay a very >> serious price when the Democrats get back in power, or even > before. >> >> This raises the stakes incredibly for Disney.* >> * >> * >> >> >> >> __._,_.___ >> >> =============================To get less email go to >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OnlineDemocrats/join and pick > "digests" >> or read on line, rather than "individual email." 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