howdy Johnathan ( you better sit down) Jonathan Hardin wrote: > Actually Terry I think you ment that Kirk was right. Herbs are > produced by plants which, for the most part have a comparitively similar > biological system (we have 50% the same DNA as a Bananna). That is they > produce only one of the two isomers (L instead of both D and L like you > would normally get in a lab). The D isomer is 'usually' the one that > causes problems.
no disrespect but nonsense. D and L are terms which relate to the stereochemistry of something only by proxy. (It is a long story) The morning sickness pill back in the 70's I think it > was. I do: thalidomide, and it is a nonissue because under physiological conditions, the good (or bad) form racemises to the bad (or good)- in this case. But this is just one case. Can't remember its name off the top of my head. The one that > caused all the birth defects; the birth defects were caused by one > isomer, the morning sickness was cured by the other. The only > difference between the two? A hydrogen atom faced a different > direction on one as compaired to the other. Isolate the isomer that > helps with morning sickness and you don't get the birth defects. > That said, it is very expensive to seperate isomers, so the drug > companies, and the FDA by implication let them stay in their mixture > unless the side effects (usually caused by one of the isomers) this is too general to have any real substantial meaning. I could type all day with expect ions to your generalizations. is too > severe and the benefits of the pill too great. Then the drug companies > will spend the time and money to isolate the right isomer and make a > pill with a pure form of it. It comes down to money, and a public > who isn't informed about this. If the public refused to buy any drug > that wasn't in a pure (non-racemic) form I'm sure that you'd find the > drug companies scrambling to make pure forms of the drugs. Again I am not trying to be mean spirited, but you know just enough to really confuse people It would > suddenly be in the best interest of their pocket-books. > > That said, sometimes herbs can produce chemicals our bodys don't like, > but, those are usually poisions, so we don't usually take them. > "Natural" isn't necessarily "safer" it's just, for the most part, a more > pure, or less harsh form of something. this doesn't mean much of a thing in a chemical or physiological sense. Take ephedra for example, low doses to some folks fine, low doses with comprised cardiovascular system deadly. Many of the drugs are based off > of the mechanisms of how the plants work, but it's the racemic mixture > of isomers that causes the side effects. > > Money makes the world go round... yes, good money is paid to people to really understand this stuff. sorry if I sound harsh. > > Jonathan Hardin > > On 9/19/06, *Terry Dyck* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > Joe is right; herbs are better than synthetic drugs for the simple > reason > that you just mentioned, drugs have side effects. Herbs are > actually foods. > It is only confusing because our modern day society has put herbs into > capsules. Originally herbs were only eaten just as we eat > vegetables. Herbs > do work but people have to be patient and they have to know about > the whole > part of healing; such as eliminating junk foods, exercise, stress > elimination, promoting a strong immune system, etc. > I believe it was Hippocrites who wrote: Let food be your medicine > > Terry Dyck > > > >From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt > >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:18:35 -0500 > > > >Howdy Joe, Mike, et al > > > >Joe Street wrote: > > > Hi Mike; > > > > > > There is a part of me ( the part I like to think is wise) that > tends to > > > trust what comes out of mother nature's laboratory much more > than the > > > industrial product. This is why I use butter not margarine. > > > >better the devil you know than the devil you don't know? (butter, > >saturated fat and cholesterol vs margarine, trans fats) > > > >This is why > > > I prefer herbs over medicines > > > >most medicines are herbs, or modeled after them and are purer and more > >predictable, with known side effects, at least after time to > >accumulate statistically relevant data. The problems with herbs > as I > >see it is two fold- frequently there is a lack of proven efficacy and > >secondly, dosage is unclear. Amounts of efficacious agents varies > >from species to species and even plant to plant depending on > where/how > >it is grown. > > > > > > > > and organic foods over factory. > > > >agreed, with the exception of "factory Organic" ala recent > spinach issue > > > >This voice > > > is always whispering that the more raw something is, the closer > it is to > > > it's natural state, the better. This voice tells that the > converse, the > > > more refined anything is, the more goodness has been stripped > away and > > > the more unhealthy in terms of preservatives and traces of > processing > > > steps are left behind in the product. > > > >processing is relative. Cassava is dangerously poisonous without > >processing > > > > > > I, like some others, confound > > > myself at times with doublethink on this front however. For > example > > > water purified by reverse osmosis definitely is free of VOC's and > > > chlorine, flourine etc but so are the minerals removed and drinking > > > highly purified water can leach minerals from the body. So I > stuggle to > > > understand where the correct balance is at times. > > > > we all struggle- nobody said life was easy > > > > Bottled spring water > > > can contain higher than the municipal level of heavy metals. I > have > > > wondered about natural salt deposits in this regard although I > admit I > > > have been lazy about doing my homework and looking for an assay on > > > alternative salt products. > > > >as far as I am aware there is no such thing as unnatural salt. > > > > > > I was told that iodine was added to salt > > > because there were many more cases of thyroid problems in the > population > > > before this was done > > > >iodination of salt began in earnest in the great lakes regions where > >the available salt had particularly low levels of iodine. See info on > >the "goiter belt" > > > >http://www3.uakron.edu/mmlab/dose/dose1_10.htm > <http://www3.uakron.edu/mmlab/dose/dose1_10.htm> > > > > > > > >(unless this is disinformation and I am to learn > > > that it aint so and it was just a way to unload iodine from > some excess > > > industrial process on an unsuspecting population vis the > flouride scene > > > with toothpaste and city water) It is often hard to know who > or what to > > > believe unless it is right in your area of knowledge. All I can > hope to > > > do is fight laziness and keep looking for information. This > list is a > > > goldmine in this regard and I can never give enough thanks for > all I > > > have learned from all the contibuting members here. > > > BTW the sea salt I use doesn't pour well. > > > >pure salt, as well as salt without a desiccant clumps up in humid > >climates (it is hygroscopic) Hence Sodium alumino silicate or a > >similar desiccant is added. Mortons has advertised this property for > >years-when it rains it pours. > > > > > > I regard this as > > > encouraging. What have 'they' done to regular table salt to > make it run > > > so easily hmmm? I wonder. > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > M&K DuPree wrote: > > >> Hi Bob and List...I don't know. But I wish I could know all > the time > > >> what is right and what is wrong, what is on one side and what > is on > > >> another, whether or not there really is one side or another, but I > > >> don't know, the lines between this and that oftentimes become > > >> obscure. Maybe we should vaccinate, maybe we > shouldn't. Maybe hell > > >> is freezing over, maybe it isn't. I don't know. > > >> I do know this, however, I have no one to blame but > myself. I'm > > >> not sure I can say the same for anyone else, because it's > really none > > >> of my business, but this is true for me--I have no one to > blame but > > >> myself. And it is this that I seek for everyone, that they > are able > > >> to one day and forever thereafter accept and say the same > thing for > > >> him/her self. Why? I can't answer that for you. So it's for > me to > > >> know and you to find out...for yourself. I can see you are > trying, > > >> just like others are trying too. And this is where I hope we > of this > > >> List can all find peace with each other, that each of us is > trying in > > >> his or her own way to take responsibility for oneself, to have > no one > > >> to blame but ourself. > > >> Maybe we should be trying to understand each other > better. And > > >> when we don't agree, rather than throw ridicule at each other, > stop > > >> and ask a question. I don't know. Maybe the path of ridicule, > > >> conjecture, leads to personal responsibility. Maybe. > > >> Anyway, there's so much that goes on here that is worthy > of being > > >> labeled of real WORTH. Maybe it's the freedom to ridicule > too. Ok. > > >> Ah well...it's a beautiful day here today...perfect > temperature, > > >> sunshine and a breeze--for breakfast outside with the flys. > > >> Mike DuPree > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "bob allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> > > >> To: < biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > ><mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>>> > > >> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 10:23 AM > > >> Subject: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt > > >> > > >> > http://www.mercola.com/forms/salt.htm > > >> > > > >> > and what a deal, only 7.95 usd (plus shipping and handling) > for 4 > > >> ounces. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob > > >> > ========================================================= > > >> > The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest > exercises > > >> in moral philosophy; that is, > > >> > the search for a superior moral justification for > selfishness JKG > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Biofuel mailing list > > >> > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> > > >> > > > >> > > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > >> > > > >> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > >> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > >> > > > >> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives > (50,000 > > >> messages): > > >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Biofuel mailing list > > >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > >> > > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > <http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> > > >> > > >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > >> > > >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives > (50,000 > >messages): > > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Biofuel mailing list > > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > > > > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >messages): > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > >-- > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises > >in moral philosophy; 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