Hi Bob, This is a tough call; do I believe your website, which I know nothing about or do I consider the website to be similar to some rumors started by people who thought that the famous environmentalist, Dr. David Suzuki, was too dangerous for the commercial world. The rumors about Suzuki, were not good for the environment but they gave amunition to people who were non environmental types. Kevin Trudeau, I am sure, has made some enemies with the Pharmaceutical Corporations and therefore could be a target.
Terry Dyck >From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia >WasTestimonials as Evidence) >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:32:09 -0500 > >no, Terry, you need to look "outside the book" he went to prison for >larceny- he stole money from people. The only big company he has headed >was is own larcenous enterprises. > > http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0826051trudeau1.html > > >" he was 28 when he copped an April 1991 plea to two counts of credit >card fraud. Trudeau's indictment, a copy of which you'll find below, was >filed in Massachusetts and charged him with using "unauthorized access >devices" to defraud American Express out of $122,735.68 (he also >swindled about five grand from several banks, including Chemical and >Citibank). Over five years, Trudeau, now 42, used false names and social >security numbers to secure charge cards which he then ferociously milked. > > Trudeau was sentenced to two years in prison and ordered to make >restitution on his credit card schemes. After serving 21 months in Uncle >Sam's custody, Trudeau was released in August 1993 and placed on two >years probation. > > >did you happen to look at any of the reports from individuals at >ripoffreport.com ? > > > > > > >Terry Dyck wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > > > Kevin Trudeau went to prison because he was caught doing corrupt work >for > > Pharmacitical corporations. That info is in his book. > > > > Terry Dyck > > > > > > > >> From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia > >> WasTestimonials as Evidence) > >> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:40:52 -0500 > >> > >> Terry, are you aware that the FTC has banned him from infomercials due > >> to many many false statements? If you have ever seen any infomercials, > >> you should know that the standard of acceptability very, very low. > >> Well, Trudeau went below that. > >> > >> > >> Or that he has spent time in prison for felony fraud? If you have >ever > >> seen any infomercials, you should know that the standard of > >> acceptability very, very low. Well, Trudeau went below that. > >> > >> here is the ftc statement > >> > >> http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/09/trudeaucoral.htm > >> > >> > >> and here is a little vox populi. Note this is not big pharma or a > >> federal agency, but rather individuals talking about how they have been > >> treated by the man. > >> > >> > >> >http://www.ripoffreport.com/results.asp?q1=ALL&q5=kevin+trudeau&submit2=Search%21&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0 > >> > >> you could have picked any number of better examples than this guy. > >> > >> > >> > >> Terry Dyck wrote: > >>> Hi Bob, > >>> > >>> The book titled "Natural Cures they don't want you to know about", by > >> Kevin > >>> Trudeau explains examples of what really goes on in our commercial > >> world. > >>> Kevin was a CEO of a huge Pharmactical corporation and did a lot of > >> corrupt > >>> work to please the share holders of his company. > >> then he is corrupt to do it. and just what company was that? I don't > >> mean to imply that that sort of thing is not done, just that I question > >> whether Trudeau was a CEO of a huge Pharma. > >> > >> > >> He was expected to do this > >>> corrupt work in order to keep his job. He also explains that the FDA > >> quite > >>> often picks on small natural food companies and has there products > >> banned > >>> for no health reason but because they may interfere with the bottom >line > >> of > >>> Drug companies profits. > >> got a verifiable example? > >> > >> > >>> You are right, Bob, members on this list do understand how profits can > >>> influence information. Exxon Oil and other oil corporations have paid > >>> scientists for years to publish untruthful info about Global Warming, > >> etc. > >> > >> now here we agree. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>>> From: bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as Anesthesia > >>>> WasTestimonials as Evidence) > >>>> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:58:51 -0500 > >>>> > >>>> That last one from me was dashed off a little too hastily. Here is > >> what > >>>> I should have sent: > >>>> > >>>> Howdy Terry, > >>>> > >>>> Terry Dyck wrote: > >>>>> Because my name was mentioned in this thread I would like to join >Joe > >>>> and D. > >>>>> Mindock in stating that I to believe in science. There is good > >> science > >>>> and > >>>>> bad science. > >>>> bad science has little meaning in my mind. One can pursue >information > >>>> via methods that attempt to control for confounding variables or not. > >>>> There is hype, marketing, downright lies etc. but that is not >science. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> When it comes to the western world and health money seems to > >>>>> be a huge factor and prevention of disease does not get as much > >>>> published > >>>>> science in a good light as does big profit pharmacetical > >> corportations. > >>>> or big profit for little guys like mercola, hulda clark, and an >endless > >>>> array of hucksters? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> So > >>>>> we seem to mostly here what the big corporations have to say. > >>>> not on this list, huh. But we do see mercola et al. I really don't >see > >>>> much difference, other than greater regulation of big pharma. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> This is not > >>>>> good for human health. > >>>>> > >>>>> Terry Dyck > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> From: "D. Mindock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as >Anesthesia > >>>>>> WasTestimonials as Evidence) > >>>>>> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:33:15 -0500 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yep, I too admire scientists, real truth seeking ones, not those >who > >>>> can be > >>>>>> bought to produce desired > >>>>>> outcomes. My degree is in science, atmospheric. Basically I am > >> trained > >>>> to > >>>>>> run computer > >>>>>> models of the atmosphere and to enhance the models so they >correlate > >>>> more > >>>>>> closely to > >>>>>> reality. Reality, aka Nature, is the gold standard. > >>>>>> Bob is wound a bit tight but that might come from trying to pour > >>>> knowledge > >>>>>> into hung-over > >>>>>> college students. His love of data, results from scientific >studies, > >> is > >>>> awe > >>>>>> inspiring at times. > >>>>>> Peace, D. Mindock > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: "Joe Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>> To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:34 AM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Closed-Mindedness (Was Hypnosis as >Anesthesia > >>>> Was > >>>>>> Testimonials as Evidence) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Kurt; > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Pardon my snipping style but..... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Kurt Nolte wrote: > >>>>>>> snip > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On the other side we have his opponents, among them Joe Street, > >> Terry > >>>>>>>> Dyck, Mike Dupree and D. Mindock, to name a few off the top of my > >>>> head. > >>>>>>>> These people seem to be, to the best of my knowledge, claiming >that > >>>>>>>> herbs (The topic at hand) are the /only/ things that are truly > >>>>>>>> efficacious as medicinal compounds, and that pharmaceuticals > >> produced > >>>> by > >>>>>>>> synthetic processes just don't hack it. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Actually I don't believe I ever said that! I am opposing Bob to > >> some > >>>>>>> degree but that doesn't mean I said what you are attributing to >me, > >> or > >>>> I > >>>>>>> guess more correctly that you should be lumping me in with what >you > >>>> are > >>>>>>> saying about the others. I am very scientifically inclined, I run >a > >>>>>>> university lab for pete's sake as well but I am also a sceptic of > >> the > >>>>>>> idea that science is the be all and end all or that it has all the > >>>>>>> answers. I still have great respect for science and believe that > >> one > >>>>>>> day it may encompass things that it currently can't explain. All >I > >> am > >>>>>>> suggesting to Bob is that even though science cannot explain > >> something > >>>>>>> at the present time, that does not mean it must necessarily be > >>>>>>> rejected. I think this is the only point on which Bob and I are >in > >>>>>>> dissagreement. I also wouldn't say it is fair to be calling Bob > >>>> closed > >>>>>>> minded. Stubborn yes but narrow or closed minded, no. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Joe > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Biofuel mailing list > >>>>>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>>>> > >> >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >>>>>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>>>>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >>>>>> messages): > >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Biofuel mailing list > >>>>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>>> > >> >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >>>>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>>>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >>>>> > >>>>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >>>> messages): > >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Bob Allen > >>>> http://www.ozarker.org/bob > >>>> --------------------------------------------- > >>>> Science is what we have learned about how to > >>>> keep from fooling ourselves. 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