Hi Mike;
You don't need to tell me about the power of the mind, - subconscious
or as some like to call it the superconscious. You'd be preaching to
the converted. The thing is I find myself on niether side of the debate
(it happens often) I could actually argue for both sides many times.
This doesn't mean I am riding the fence which is something I detest,
but rather that I often see the two sides of an issue as two sides of
the same single coin. Too often we can get the blinders on and insist
that our view of the coin is THE one, and we lose sight of the fact
that it is a coin. The forest and the trees. Science has it's place and
so does mysticism. One day when our species comes of age people will
look back and laugh that we even saw something to argue about. It's the
same with religious debates, political debates and on and on.
Ultimately it is all one integral energy with some fascinating swirls
that we currently like to obsess over. What more can one say? The more
one says, the farther he gets from the truth. I'm feeling particularly
mystical today, sorry if I dripped any on your monitor! LOL
Peace.
Joe
M&K DuPree wrote:
Joe,
thank you for your observations, specifically: "the real world is not a closed carefully controlled lab
environment so what can be said in a scientific manner?" Maybe these
are the words we have been needing. When you think about it, so many
new (human-made) variables are impacting the environment that "science"
itself must necessarily be impacted. No longer are we studying
processes that have evolved for millions of years. We are studying
processes that have never before occurred in the history of the
planet. The questions become whether or not "science" changes too and
if so, how? More and more, it seems to me, "science" must take into
account as inclusive of a picture as possible to be relevant. If so,
it also seems to me, perhaps finally we are ready to learn just how
significant to the changes that take place is what we imagine. "In
peace and light I journey through forever." Mike DuPree
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Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra
Hi Robert;
robert and benita rabello wrote:
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I understand that, but I don't think you're grasping my point.
There is a VERY large percentage of the overall population walking
around with dental amalgams, and a cohort of professionals that have
been working with this material for decades. Yet there is no study that
supports negative health impacts within that population that can be
directly linked to mercury in dental fillings.
Yeah I got your point. My point was that people are making claims (
please for the moment don't pull a 'show me the data' .... just for
argument's sake allow me this for a moment) they are making claims that
just maybe a large upswing in the occurrance of certain diseases may be
related to long term effects of low level exposure to certain toxins,
mercury being one of the suspects. Sure it's complicated by rising
levels of all kinds of unhealthy things in trace concentrations in our
environment, the air we breathe and the water we drink, the food
supply. Maybe that's the big picture here. Check with fisheries on the
guidelines for those fish you are pulling out of the Fraser for
example. So maybe the body of evidence is massive and right there in
front of us. Questionmark.
Check out what this SFU paper has to say about mercury levels in the
Fraser watershed and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) the ones
that can slip into your DNA helix and have fun with your cellular
reproduction.
http://www.rem.sfu.ca/FRAP/aquae.pdf
All of these things play a role I am certain but the real world is not
a closed carefully controlled lab environment so what can be said in a
scientific manner? I am reminded of post docs here in my lab who run
plasma processes that have several variables that are wildly out of
control and while they tweak one of those variables and they get one
device on their wafer out of a hundred at the end which has a
desireable characteristic they then assume it is due to their matrix of
values for this one variable and not to some chance confluence of
uncontrolled parameters. They realize it later ( after they have
published) that they have the devils own time trying to reproduce it!
ROFL. Are you going to put a bunch of humans in a cage and control
everything they are exposed to over their lifetime? When you hear that
something you have been eating, drinking, or smoking is potentially
harmful do you stop consuming it, or do you wait to get sick so you
have your own personal data? How fanatic do you need to be in your
adherence to the dogma of the church of reason?
But didn't I read years ago that there is a very
high suicide rate among dentists?
Can that impact be isolated to mercury exposure?
ISOLATED? No, not beyond a reasonable doubt, not out here in the real,
complicated world. Maybe in a 50 year lab experiment with real human
subjects, or maybe with rats that have an 80 year life expectancy if
they existed. But see my comments above. What is isolated in the real
world? Read up on the mental health effects of exposure to mercury
vapour. Is there a correlation? Perhaps? Ever heard the _expression_ "mad
as a hatter"? Felt hats used to be made with mercury. Is contemplating
suicide a form of madness? Sometimes I wonder. And there's probably a
few db difference in the exposure level between me and a dentist! LOL
Joe
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