the end has been and gone. the tipping point is past... (now, where's my paper
bag??)
Jason
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----- Original Message -----
From: JAMES PHELPS
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather
Very well put Thomas,
Where are we? Good question, don't know, but we do know that we are getting
there faster than we expected as those cascading effects all have greater
amplitudes than expected as the data rolls in.
I have become a bit of a curiosity speaking out on Global warming in this
area, but it is worth it as I was brought up to try to do what's right even if
no one else is.
I have hope, but I dare say that if the entire world does not go into a
reversal trend fast the only "survival plan" for anyone is placing both feet 3
feet apart sticking ones head between legs so one can kiss ass goodbye in this
life anyway.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Kelly
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather
Mike,
CO2 levels are on the rise ..... nowhere near 250% since 2000.
In the year 2000, CO2 levels were at 368ppm (vol) = .0368% of air by
volume. As of March, 2006 the CO2 levels were 381ppm = .0381% of the air by
volume ..... a 3.53% increase.
If temp change caused by CO2, alone, was all we had to be concerned
with, climate change associated with it would not be very significant. The
problem is the cascading effect that even a slight temp change can initiate.
Ex. Slight increase in temp -----> less ice cover -----> less
reflected solar energy, more absorbed ----> more heat ---> less ice cover
etc
Slight increase in temp ---> melting of permafrost ---->
release of methane gas contributing to greenhouse effect ----> temp increase
----->
melting of permafrost etc.
The current 381ppm level represents a 100ppm increase over
pre-industrial levels .... a 36% increase ..... Very significant. Recent
studies done involving the analysis of air trapped in tiny bubbles in Arctic
Ice, show that changes such as these have occurred in the past, but over a much
greater (as in 10's of thousands of years) rather than a few lifetimes.
There are homeostatic mechanism that allow the earth to maintain
relatively stable conditions. Large bodies of water absorb CO2. Homeostatic
mechanisms can be overloaded. Because CO2 reacts with the water to form
carbonic acid (dissociates into bicarbonate ion and hydrogen ion), over-loading
the oceans with CO2 can result in a slight drop in pH. (A similar series of
events occurs in our bodies. We transport CO2 ... as the bicarbonate ion ....
away from tissues. Increased metabolic rate ----> additional CO2 ------>
Increased carbonic acid and a very slight drop in pH of our blood. We feel the
urge to breath faster ...... result: we eliminate the CO2. Unfortunately our
large bodies of water do not enjoy such a luxury.) A slight drop in the pH of
oceans ----> breakdown and release of vast quantities CO2 sequestered in
carbonates (shells of animal great and small).
At what point does the cascade of events leading to "meltdown" occur?
..... the "Tipping Point"? Has it already occurred?
Do we just sit and do nothing?
I wish I paid more attention in English class ... Was it Dylan
Thomas? ... "Do not go silent ........."
Maybe all we can do is mitigate the devastation; fight the good fight
.... Are you in?
Fatheads Unite .....
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: M&K DuPree
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather
Terry...any chance you could direct us to where you read this? Last
night I was thinking about global warming and the reasons behind it and I
wondered if everything might start suffocating at some point. Now today comes
your mentioning the CO2 increase. I don't like these kind of coincidences, but
they happen. On the other hand, maybe I really shouldn't read the
documentation of this number. Maybe I shouldn't read anything about anything
that seems to really matter. "Ignorance is bliss," my wife reminds me, not
because she believes it, but because she doesn't understand why I should try to
learn what I can about something over which I have little or no control. Maybe
she's right, but I'm a fathead and want to know anyway. Thanks. Mike DuPree
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Dyck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather
> Hi Jason,
>
> A new report states that CO2 has increased by 250% since the year 2000.
> That could explain the weird weather.
>
> Terry Dyck
>
>
>>From: "Jason& Katie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather
>>Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:22:07 -0600
>>
>>i have a theory about how all of this climate change is going to
proceed.
>>all the gases and toxins that are being shoved into the atmosphere will
>>hold heat and all this fantastic energy will hyperactivate the weather,
the
>>rain will pull particulates and volatiles out of the air in the
>>rainshadows. the droughts will clear the landscape in certain key
>>equatorial areas which will be prime ground for containment, and over
>>hundreds (maybe thousands) of years, the water cycle will carry the
toxins
>>to the sun blasted equator where they will be deposited as salts and
other
>>contaminated solids and be truly sequestered (or become rancid
festering
>>swamps where no creature would dare go). granted during this time,
humanity
>>and most of the weaker species on earth will be killed off... but hey,
what
>>can i say?
>>Jason
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: robert and benita rabello
>> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 10:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More Weird Weather
>>
>>
>> JAMES PHELPS wrote:
>>
>> This year was hotter than the records set in 1930 in Wyoming ND SD
NE
>>and it was a tie in Montana.
>>
>> A caveat when discussing weather in relation to Global warming. I
>>often hear people say so much for global warming on days like this in
>>Montana ( -40 F wind chills +10 deg F still) but they really don't
>>understand that this is nothing - Montana has not had a "normal winter"
for
>>well over 6 years.
>>
>> My point in using these extreme examples, is that climate change
>>results in weather patterns that fall outside of "norms." In simple
terms,
>>the earth acts like a giant heat engine. All of the energy that's
getting
>>trapped in the atmosphere gets expressed in the form of stronger high
>>pressures (warm air) and lower low pressures (cold air). The warmth in
the
>>oceans is transpiring into the atmosphere as vapor and condensing as
either
>>rain or snow, depending on the air temperature. We've had an enormous
>>amount of precipitation recently, which means that somewhere on earth,
LESS
>>rain and snow is falling.
>>
>> Drought and deluge are part of the shifting climate, as is the
>>increasing severity of the storms we're seeing.
>>
>>
>>robert luis rabello
>>"The Edge of Justice"
>>Adventure for Your Mind
>>http://www.newadventure.ca
>>
>>Ranger Supercharger Project Page
>>http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/
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