Hello Jeromie This all seems very confused, but why so strident?
>Yes I did [read the whole thing]. I did NOT say the company from the >article did not lie, in fact, i even pointed out that they and most >(maybe all?) large bottled water companies are evil. I said the >small, local bottling company was fairly decent. But apart from this and your last line it's the large bottled water companies that you defend, not the small, local bottling company. >So what? The act of PRODUCTION depletes something. Even your breathing >depletes the air. Really? If you leave the biosphere out of it maybe, in which case no breathable air anyway. So is it just me or the whole system that's depleting the air when I/we breathe? And are you sure we're not replenishing it too? >The problem is not the depletion, its the lack of >regulation of the RATE of depletion. :-) That depends on how many angels can dance on the cap of a plastic water bottle. >... that [the bottles] has nothing to do with drinking bottled water, that is >a RECYCLING problem, and we have it with more then just bottled water. You don't say. (No need to shout.) >You need to separate the garbage of a product from the product it >self, they are not the same issue. Indeed not the same, but not separate either, they're closely related, obviously, to the point of the one *causing* the other. You can take such a keyhole approach if you like but I'll pass. >Wowies 60 million plastic bottles, >now compare that to 15 BILLION soda bottles that do not get recycled. So water bottles and soda bottles are the same issue, even if water bottles and the water that's in them aren't? So then we're not allowed to talk about soda either? Just the bottles? Or is it the bottles we're not supposed to be talking about? So then where does the soda fit in? Anyway, no need to bother then about a mere 60 million plastic water bottles discarded per day, nor indeed the 20 million barrels of oil per year wasted in making them, it just doesn't matter at all because the soda bottles are so much worse. Hm. >So what? That is the point of business, to charge as much as you can >get. If people do not like the price, do not buy it. So far none of >the people who buy the water do so because the bottle company took >over or otherwise shut down the city water. THEY CHOOSE TO BUY IT, Do >not come whining about the price. Consumer choice? You're not kidding eh? Uh, did you *really* read the whole thing? I mean READ it? Off the top of your head then - how much did it say the corps spend on spinning their bottled tap water in order to flog it at 7,000 times the cost to a gullible public dumbed down by a 30-year barrage of consumer spin to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars a year, and you don't even notice it? Or you discount it anyway - why, because spin's not effective, it's not a factor? That's why they go on and on very happily paying for it, eh? Or do we need to separate that from the product too, it's not the same issue? Or because you're immune to spin yourself, you think? Or you just don't notice it, like everyone else? >"..and tastes better than the stuff that comes out of the tap." > >This is a matter of opinion and has nothing to do with the real issues >here and is only there to detract from the real issue, Real issue whatever, a major point of the article was that street-level consumer taste-tests show that people can't tell the difference between bottled water and tap water. Neither is any other aspect of quality assured. Quite something for a 7,000-times value-added mark-up. You're saying that's just an irrelevant distraction? Like the 60 million discarded bottles a day and the 20 million barrels of oil wasted and the millions of dollars spent on market manipulation. Whence all these strange rules you're making Jeromie? It doesn't count, or it's a separate issue, or it only detracts from the "real issues" (but I've lost track of whatever it is you think are the real issues). Well, make whatever rules you like, feel free, but they'll have to make a little more sense if you want anyone to heed them. >If it were up to >me they would get their toys taken away (IE, confiscate the bottling >plant and the water resource they abused). So why all the fuss then? Anyway I'll settle for that. I enoyed Tom's comment: >But out of curiosity, would my water company be putting water from a >tap into plastic bottles and then transporting it over great distances to be >sold to an unsuspecting public? Would we run adds on TV, in magazines, and >on billboards suggesting that this is "special" water. Would we have >athletes, beautiful models, even movie stars giving testimonies as to how >"special" this bottled water was. What would we call it? Aquafina and Dasani >are real cool names, but they're already taken. Somehow "Tom's Tap" doesn't >sound "special" enough even though it is real good water. > As a friend, who used to be in advertising often says: "Image and logo >recognition." > > Gotta go work on the logo. > Tom :-) How about calling it "Real Good Water"? Use old-fashioned general store-style display type, chuck in something pristine/bucolic for the background, hang in there for a year or so and Nestle will buy you out for billions. We're going to be sorry we're letting all the glaciers and ice-shelves and so on just melt away into the sea, what a waste, shouldn't we be bottling them? Best Keith >On 8/4/07, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Yup Coke, Pepsi, and some other large companies are evil polluting > > >corporate entities. > > >The link I posted is to a small (local) bottling company that is not evil. > > > > > >If city water is substandard then that needs dealt with, but what does > > >that have to do with bottled water? The company is spending the money > > >to clean, package, and distribute it. They should be allowed to do so. > > >I also think they should be shut down immediately if there is > > >contaminates in the water. I am not one for piddly fines, a 30 day > > >shut down per offense, after 3 the company is disbanded. Same for city > > >water, there is simply no reason for it other then laziness. > > > > > >Its like this collapsed bridge in MN. How far would 2 billion go for > > >fixing all the bridges in the state? For providing education? For any > > >number of other domestic programs, like wind & solar energy. > > > > > >As for the lacking minerals in bottled water, so what? As long as they > > >do not lie about what IS in it, or is NOT in it, then they are fine. > > >If the water does not fit your diet just do not buy it or supplement > > >your diet. > > > > > >Am I missing something? > > > > They do lie. Did you read the whole article? > >Yes I did. I did NOT say the company from the article did not lie, in >fact, i even pointed out that they and most (maybe all?) large bottled >water companies are evil. I said the small, local bottling company was >fairly decent. > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg70602.html > > [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > Did you miss this bit? > > > > "The environmental impact of the country's obsession with bottled > > water has been staggering. Each day an estimated 60 million plastic > > water bottles are thrown away. Most are not recycled. The Pacific > > Institute has estimated 20 million barrels of oil are used each year > > to make the plastic for water bottles." > >I'm sorry that has nothing to do with drinking bottled water, that is >a RECYCLING problem, and we have it with more then just bottled water. >You need to separate the garbage of a product from the product it >self, they are not the same issue. Wowies 60 million plastic bottles, >now compare that to 15 BILLION soda bottles that do not get recycled. >This jumping on bottled water is just a crap response to the elitist >sheik "ooh its bottled water, i'm cool" > > > > > Here's Blanding's article: > > > > http://www.alternet.org/story/43480/ > > The Bottled Water Lie > > By Michael Blanding, AlterNet > > October 26, 2006 > > > > There's good info on water rip-offs in the list archives. > >The thing is, the companies depleting the aquifers and polluting, that >is not a bottled water issue. Its a resource management issue, and >some one dropped the ball. The fact that the company makes a profit on >it doesn't mater at all. The fact that some city let them tap the >resource and abuse it should be the issue. The fact that some of the >product was contaminated should be the issue, not the fact that the >buyers of the product do not recycle. > > >FTFA: > >"The corporations that sell bottled water are depleting natural resources,.." > >So what? The act of PRODUCTION depletes something. Even your breathing >depletes the air. The problem is not the depletion, its the lack of >regulation of the RATE of depletion. > >"...jacking up prices,..." > >So what? That is the point of business, to charge as much as you can >get. If people do not like the price, do not buy it. So far none of >the people who buy the water do so because the bottle company took >over or otherwise shut down the city water. THEY CHOOSE TO BUY IT, Do >not come whining about the price. > >"...and lying when they tell you their water is purer..." > >Again, this is a regulation issue. Same as those cities that have >polluted water, regulation is not being enforced. The companies (and >many cities) are being lazy and the people who watch over them are >too. Thats as bad as kids running in the street, whos at fault? The >child who does not really "get it" or the lacking parent? I vote the >missing parent. > >"..and tastes better than the stuff that comes out of the tap." > >This is a matter of opinion and has nothing to do with the real issues >here and is only there to detract from the real issue, the lack of >enforced regulation and companies who are being bad. If it were up to >me they would get their toys taken away (IE, confiscate the bottling >plant and the water resource they abused). > > > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > > >On 8/4/07, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It's misrepresentation and profiteering, and probably > > > > misappropriation too. These companies are crooks, poisoners, and > > > > worldwide water-robbers. Eg.: > > > > > > > > http://snipurl.com/1p5ux > > > > CorpWatch > > > > > > > > http://snipurl.com/1p5v0 > > > > CorpWatch > > > > > > > > http://snipurl.com/1p5v2 > > > > CorpWatch > > > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg63502.html > > > > [Biofuel] Water: a commodity or a fundamental human right? > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > there is a problem with distilled water (or reverse >Osmosis). The trace > > > > >elements are removed from the water. > > > > > When distilled water is consumed, the trace elements are taken > > >from the body > > > > >to balance the water. You need the trace elements. Tap water >is balanced > > > > >water, so does not strip trace elements from the body (although > > >I don't like > > > > >consuming chlorine.... > > > > > > > > > >regards Doug > > > > > > > > > >On Saturday 04 August 2007 03:22:02 am John Mullan wrote: > > > > > > Some cities may, or may not, have just as clean of a water > > >supply as that > > > > > > provided in the bottled water. But I have had water from >the taps of a > > > > > > number of cities. Believe me, the taste of bottled water is > > >much superior. > > > > > > If my tap water tasted as good, I might not buy so much > > >bottled water. And > > > > > > most water treatment plants do not filter quite like these > > >bottled water > > > > > > companies. What cities can do reverse osmosis on a city scale? > > > > > > > > > > > > My 2 cents. > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of >Keith Addison > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:48 PM > > > > > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > > > > > Subject: [Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.alternet.org/environment/58604/ > > > > > > AlterNet: Environment: > > > > > > > > > > > > Pepsi Forced to Admit It's Bottling Tap Water > > > > > > > > > > > > By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! > > > > > > Posted on August 2, 2007 _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
