Let's ask adobe to opensource adobe svg viewer I think there is no opensource svg viewer for IE at the moment (I know, there is mozilla , but ....)
jon_ferraiolo wrote: > Hi Marc, > I think you misunderstood me. I was replying to Margie about how > best to encourage Adobe to change their policy. I agree that Adobe > isn't likely to rethink their commitment to Flash/Flex, but they > might rethink some other things, such as making ASV available for > downloads after 1/1/08, supporting ASV beyond 1/1/07, and/or > donating the source code to open source. > > Jon > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "m_verstaen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Jon, >> >> Do you seriously believe that Adobe will change its plans and > modify >> the course of Flash/Flex to please one or two companies with no >> impact on Adobe's business? >> >> Come on Jon, among all people you should know how Adobe misslead >> everybody in the SVG community during the past few years. Giving >> people hope that Adobe can still be helpful is only helping > killing >> SVG at this point. And I know this is not what you want. >> >> Marc >> >> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jon Ferraiolo <jferrai@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Margie, >>> Thanks for the kind words. In terms of possible next steps, I >> suggest >>> finding a way to express your point of view (professionally, of >> course) >>> within a blog or a forum that Adobe would read. (I don't know > the >> degree to >>> which Adobe monitors this forum and I am not sure what other >> industry >>> forums they read these days.) An important thing would be to > give >> detailed >>> information about the business impact that you face. Adobe is >> likely to be >>> more receptive if a company speaks up and talks about any > specific >>> difficulties that they will face and what Adobe could do about >> relieving >>> those difficulties. Adobe is less likely to listen to people who >> simply get >>> up on their soapbox. (I already did that.) >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> Jon Ferraiolo <jferrai@> >>> Web Architect, Emerging Technologies >>> IBM, Menlo Park, CA >>> Mobile: +1-650-464-7817 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> "Marjorie >> >>> >> Roswell" >>> >> <mroswell@ To >>> om> svg- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent >> by: cc >>> svg- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > hoogroups.com >> Subject >>> Re: [svg-developers] >> Re: >>> Announcement: Adobe to >> Discontinue >>> 09/07/2006 05:03 Adobe SVG >> Viewer >>> >> AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Please respond >> to >>> svg- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> hoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jon, >>> >>> That was beautifully written. Thank you for your work and > advocacy >> in the >>> SVG community. What's the next step for our community to take, >> regarding >>> items 3, 4, and 5? >>> >>> Margie >>> >>> >>> On 9/6/06, jon_ferraiolo <jferrai@> wrote: >>>> Hi Pat, >>>> Now that I am a member of the community and no longer an >> employee of >>>> Adobe, here is my reaction: >>>> >>>> (1) First off, I believe that Adobe deserves a great amount of >>>> appreciation for their contributions to SVG and the open >> standards >>>> world for their activities in previous years. Adobe provided a >>>> high-quality free implementation of an SVG viewer at large >> expense. >>>> (Pat, you know this perhaps better than anyone.) Adobe also has >>>> provided (and presumably will continue to provide) excellent >> support >>>> for SVG in some of its products, particularly Illustrator. > Adobe >> has >>>> also made large contributions within the standards community > on >> SVG. >>>> (2) It is understandable that at some point Adobe would > announce >> the >>>> end-of-life for Adobe SVG Viewer. Since the Macromedia >> acquisition (at >>>> least, perhaps even earlier), it is clear that Adobe doesn't >> consider >>>> the SVG viewer to be strategic. Also, browsers are adding SVG >> support >>>> natively. >>>> >>>> (3) HOWEVER, I believe that some of the details regarding this >>>> end-of-life announcement are unacceptable to the community and >> not in >>>> Adobe's own best interests. To me, it is OK to stop "support" >>>> (presumably developer support and security fixes) on Adobe SVG >> Viewer >>>> in the relative near-term, but instead of giving four months of >>>> advanced notice (i.e., 1/1/07), it should be something > measured >> in >>>> years, something in the range of 2-4 years. (Note: 5 years is > the >>>> usual amount for developer-oriented software.) >>>> >>>> (4) It reflects badly on Adobe that it did not donate the ASV >> source >>>> code (at least the higher-level logic that sits above the >> graphics >>>> rendering engine) to open soure. If Adobe isn't going to use >> ASV, then >>>> it should give it to the community so they can use it. Given > how >> Adobe >>>> promoted industry adoption of ASV in the early days and thereby >>>> convinced many developers to build mission-critical > applications >> using >>>> SVG, it is the least that Adobe could do. >>>> >>>> (5) But the worst part of this announcement is the removal of > ASV >>>> downloads as of 1/1/08, with no option for others to host a >> different >>>> ASV download site. As others have pointed out, this will be >>>> devastating to those poor souls who made a commitment to ASV > in >> the >>>> past and need their deployed SVG applications to continue >> working in >>>> IE, which today has something like 80% market share and is >> unlikely to >>>> support SVG natively before a couple of years go by. This >> particular >>>> decision reflects badly on Adobe as a business partner with >>>> developers. If nothing else, I appeal to Adobe to rethink this >> part of >>>> their decision. How much does it cost a company to maintain a >> single >>>> web page that is already working? If ASV quits working in some >>>> situations, such as ASV not running under Vista, then just add >> text to >>>> the download page alerting people that ASV has been EOL'd and > is >> known >>>> not to work with Vista. (But the better approach would be to > open >>>> source ASV so that the community can fix any such bugs.) >>>> >>>> Jon Ferraiolo >>>> IBM >>>> >>>>> Adobe has decided to discontinue support for Adobe SVG > Viewer. >> There >>>>> are a number of other third-party SVG viewer implementations >> in the >>>>> marketplace, including native support for SVG in many Web >> browsers. >>>>> The SVG language and its adoption in the marketplace have > both >> matured >>>>> to the point where it is no longer necessary for Adobe to >> provide an >>>>> SVG viewer. >>>>> >>>>> SVG is an established vector image format. Adobe currently >> supports >>>>> SVG in several of its authoring and server products, > including >>>>> Illustrator, InDesign, GoLive, Version Cue, Graphics Server, >>>>> FrameMaker, and FrameMaker Server. >>>>> >>>>> Adobe customer support for Adobe SVG Viewer will be >> discontinued on >>>>> January 1, 2007. >>>>> >>>>> For more information on this decision and answers to > questions >> about >>>>> the discontinuation of Adobe SVG Viewer, please see >>>>> http://www.adobe.com/svg >>>> Messages in this topic >>>> < >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg- > developers/message/56704;_ylc=X3oDMTM2cGwwcGptBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycEl > kAzEyOTg0MjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAxMDMwMzg5BG1zZ0lkAzU2NzIzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xr >> A3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTE1NzU4OTQ0MgR0cGNJZAM1NjcwNA-- >>>> ( >>>> 12) Reply (via web post) >>>> < >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg- > developers/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMXB1ZjZzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyOTg0 > MjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAxMDMwMzg5BG1zZ0lkAzU2NzIzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc >> 3RpbWUDMTE1NzU4OTQ0Mg--?act=reply&messageNum=56723 >>>> | Start >>>> a new topic >>>> < >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg- > developers/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaGJqa3IwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyOTg0 > MjEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjAxMDMwMzg5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTE1NzU4O >> TQ0Mg-- >>>> >>>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> To unsubscribe send a message to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> -or- >>> visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and > click "edit >> my >>> membership" >>> ---- >>> Yahoo! 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