Was an "advanced options" button/expander/whatever during setup dismissed 
already? If so, why? 

(we'll need something along these lines for 2pw anyway.) 

(Phone; please excuse brevity.)


-----Original Message-----
From: Gavin Sharp [[email protected]]
Received: Wednesday, 08 Jan 2014, 5:40PM
To: Richard Newman [[email protected]]
CC: John Gruen [[email protected]]; [email protected] [[email protected]]
Subject: Re: Walkthru of FxA/Sync Account Creation

> We shouldn't start sending (and downloading and irrevocably merging!) the 
> user's
> data before they've had a chance to change the defaults for those two 
> decisions,
> regardless of how they enter the setup process.

Fair enough. I think that decision needs to be made through some
mechanism other than a doorhanger-ish panel, and ideally smoothly
integrated in the account sign-up process, though. At the same time
I'm sympathetic to John's concerns about sign-up flow complexity.

Anyone have any alternate suggestions?

Gavin

On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Richard Newman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Current Sync starts syncing automatically when the wizard concludes, but the
> wizard has an embedded detour through Sync Options, which is where you can
> specify whether you want to replace local or remote data, and what you want
> to sync.
>
> We shouldn't start sending (and downloading and irrevocably merging!) the
> user's data before they've had a chance to change the defaults for those two
> decisions, regardless of how they enter the setup process.
>
> (Phone; please excuse brevity.)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gavin Sharp [[email protected]]
> Received: Wednesday, 08 Jan 2014, 3:25PM
> To: John Gruen [[email protected]]
> CC: Johnathan Nightingale [[email protected]]; [email protected]
> [[email protected]]
> Subject: Re: Walkthru of FxA/Sync Account Creation
>
>
> Given that the only way people are going to see the accounts sign up
> flow in the near term is via "Set up Sync" entry points, an opt-in
> after the fact seems redundant (and too easy to miss).
>
> I think that clicking "set up sync" and going through the Firefox
> account signup process is enough opt-in to start syncing automatically
> (and as far as I know that's what current sync does).
>
> In the long term we may want to decouple "sign in" with "set up sync",
> but it seems like we shouldn't let that constrain us in the near term.
>
> Gavin
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:10 PM, John Gruen <[email protected]> wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Johnathan Nightingale" <[email protected]>
>>> To: "John Gruen" <[email protected]>
>>> Cc: "Gavin Sharp" <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 4:01:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Walkthru of FxA/Sync Account Creation
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:59 PM, John Gruen wrote:
>>> >> Why do they need to click the button to start syncing? This seems like
>>> >> a
>>> >> strange hurdle that current-sync doesn't have. Is it related to
>>> >> maintaining
>>> >> a distinction between "Firefox account" and "sync"?
>>> >
>>> > The concept of the door hanger comes from user testing where ppl wanted
>>> > data-type election prior to syncing. We give users the ability to
>>> > customize off the doorhanger (by routing them to sync preferences) or
>>> > to
>>> > just start.
>>>
>>> If we sync immediately (one fewer click) but doorhanger the "Customize
>>> your
>>> Data Options" invitation do we substantially accomplish the same goal
>>> (while, presumably, increasing conversion)?
>>>
>>
>> The high level question is do we want to suck up all data without giving
>> users choice over types? Do we want to hoover up passwords by default, for
>> example? If so, we can do it automatically, if not, we can do the door
>> hanger, or simply choose not to sync some data types by default.
>>
>>
>>> J
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Johnathan Nightingale
>>> VP Firefox
>>> @johnath
>>>
>>>
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