Il giorno 02/mar/2012, alle ore 11.12, Emmanuel Lécharny ha scritto: > Le 3/2/12 9:40 AM, Fabio Martelli a écrit : >> Il giorno 01/mar/2012, alle ore 21.12, Simone Tripodi ha scritto: >> >>> Hi all guys! >>> >>> I know that working in the same office speeds up the development >>> process, but I'd like to pray you anyway to make the whole community >>> more aware about the proposed roadmap, in order to make the project >>> not only OSS but also open dev - ASF projects are community-driven! - >>> and then get more external contributions. >> Hi Simone, I do think that what you have written is right. >> From my side I would share with the community our past roadmap [1]. >> This was our idea before to enter into the Community but, of course, I well >> know that it have to be re-discussed asap. > There is nothing that need to be "re-discussed". Not now, not even in a near > future. > > What Simone says is pretty simple : every discussion, every choice, *must* be > discussed on the public mailing list. That does not mean that, because > Syncope has been accepted in the incubator, we should re-evaluate every > single decision which has already been made by the current team. > > Now, the advantage of having public discussions is that it helps outsiders to > be part of the discussions, and bring some new ideas, and new opinions. > That's pretty much it. > > Simone's warning is that at some point you guys, working in the same office, > F2F, will find it more convenient to make a decision *before* it has been > discussed on the ML. That's one of the major community anti-pattern. And The > ASF is *all* about community ! >> >> However, you cannot ask us to change roadmap planned for Syncope >> 1.1-incubating. > Of course the community can !!! The roadmap must be discussed and accepted, > before it becomes official. As usual, this is done by trying to reach a > concensus, if if none is found, then by a vote. > > Just because you entered into incubator does not magically freeze a roadmap. >> The main reasons are two: >> 1. a lot of issues had been opened before our enter into the community (we >> cannot go on with developments with inconsistencies into the source code); >> 2. we have done several commercial proposal based on Syncope 1.1 before to >> enter into the community. > > Ok, let's be clear : whatever business proposal you have made is totally > orthogonal to the ongoing work in The ASF. Period. > > If you need to fulfill some of the commitment you've made, thats your > problem, not the ASF problem. Fork the project, if needed. > > Why am I stressing out this point ? Because we have seen too many projects at > the ASF being polluted by commercial agendas. > > Now, I'm painting it black, on purpose. I'm pretty sure that you guys will do > the right thing. It's just that you have to understand what the Apache Way is > all about. >> >> Further, the 70% of activities that we are doing in this period is bug >> fixing. I do hope that this is not a problem. > No, not at all. > > Now, keep in mind that one major criterium for this project to get out of > incubator is that you can successfully create a diverse community, ie you > succeed in adding some new committers from other companies, in order to make > Syncope a real community, way larger than just Tirasa. > > Don't get me wrong here : I'm not telling you guys that you have done any > mistake so far. I'm just trying, and so is Simone, to show you the traps you > may fall in. Thank you Emmanuel.
Regards, F.
