Perhaps it's how one defines quality workouts, but I know the group at the FILA center was doing this a couple years ago:
-1 day with 25-40x1:00 on/1:00 off, with the "on" minutes at 3K-5K race pace and the off minutes a notch or two faster thaneasy distance. -1 day with 10-15km of long intervals (1000m-5000m) at 10 km-10 mile race pace. -1 day of a long uphill run - 50-90 minutes - with a gradual increase in pace so the end was very very hard -1 day of 30-35k starting a bit slower than maathon pace and finishing a bit faster. They had one additional workout in there I believe as well. After the five days hard, they'd take 1-2 days easy and then start again. They did this for 10 weeks or so and several people got huge marathon PR's. - Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan tobin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > Four quality workouts in a row week after week WILL destroy your body and > WILL overtrain you. In the ONE Geb week no mention is made of what kind of > "sprint work" he is doing on that day. Hell, anyone can do 10x200 near all > out with 200 meter recoveries at the end of an easy run everyday but I > wouldn't call that a very hard workout. Sprint work isn't made to be > tiresome. So in his ONE week we have a long run, a hard tempo-type run, > track intervals, and "sprint work". If his sprint work isn't that demanding > then I don't see how the week is so much different than what has been > successful for years. If he truly is running 4 very hard days back to back > then we have to look and see that is again only ONE week. Now, if he's doing > this week in and week out then we've have to look and see what he's using to > be able to recover so quickly. I think it's foolish to look at this ONE week > and conclude that this is how he trains week in and week out. Even if he > does do this week in and week out then I think it's foolish to think he's > doing this without some sort of recovery "enhancement" (growth hormone, > synthetic steroid, etc). > > PS-I too know the effects of running back to back to back to back hard days > as I did it quite often in high school. 4 hard days a week was the norm with > some weeks 5 or 6 hard days. I improved for two years then remained pretty > static. My former college coach used the same system and improvement came > little by little. When I tried to adapt the same 4 hard day a week schedule > to a marathon I ended up with an achilles injury. > > Alan > > > >From: "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:22:44 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >X-Originating-IP: [198.240.130.75] > >X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Received: from 198.240.130.75 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with > >HTTP;Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:22:44 GMT > > > >Alan, just read them. Sorry, I don't see the number of intense workouts > >that would ever suggest to me that any of these guys will be near 2:08 or > >27:20 let alone 2:05 and 26:22. > > > >Im talking ablout 4 workouts in a row, 30 miles on Sunday (not 20), etc. > >There are so many AM: 10, PM: 10 in these logs I am giving myself a > >headache. If they were doing hill followeed by tempo, followed by > >interval, followed by sprint, all in the midst of 2-a days, 30 miles of > >running on Sunday and 2 "easy days" then I will agree. You haven't shown > >me that yet. > > > >I had a coach in college who I probably did not respect as much as I should > >have (Coach Hadsell... if you're out there... here's a shout-out). He > >would have us do a hill workout one day followed by a tempo the next and > >fartleks on the 3rd. I thought I was being over-trained. Turns out I was > >just a wimp. > > > >M > > > > > >>From: "alan tobin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:36:05 +0000 > >> > >>Mike, a lot of Americans are doing this. Check out Rod Dehaven's log: > >>www.allsportrunning.com/rodscorner. Check out the Hanson's Runners and > >>their training: http://www.hansons-running.com/ecom/sp/cat=Training+Log > >>I don't think it has been shown anywhere that the top US runners are > >>running a lot of miles really slow. What I see is a tried and true process > >>that has been successful for 20-30 years: 100-150 miles a week, a long run > >>that is usually run pretty fast or at least with fast segments, a long > >>workout be it either "threshold" or just long intervals, and a short > >>workout consisting of your basic Vo2max type intervals. Some may add a > >>hill workout here and there or a short sprint workout here and there but > >>the basics are still the same: Lots of miles at a moderate or sometimes > >>fast pace, a long moderate run, two workouts. > >> > >>Alan > >> > >>>From: "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>Reply-To: "Michael Contopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:03:50 -0400 > >>>MIME-Version: 1.0 > >>>X-Originating-IP: [198.240.130.75] > >>>X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Received: from mc3-f2.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.137]) by > >>>mc3-s10.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 27 > >>>Aug 2003 10:16:41 -0700 > >>>Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu ([128.223.142.13]) by > >>>mc3-f2.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 27 > >>>Aug 2003 10:15:49 -0700 > >>>Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [127.0.0.1])by > >>>darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RH3xHD003414for > >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:03:59 -0700 > >>>(PDT) > >>>Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by darkwing.uoregon.edu > >>>(8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h7RH3x2l003413for t-and-f-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug > >>>2003 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) > >>>Received: from hotmail.com (law12-f24.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.24])by > >>>darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7RH3uHD003339for > >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:03:56 -0700 (PDT) > >>>Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; > >>>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:03:51 -0700 > >>>Received: from 198.240.130.75 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with > >>>HTTP;Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:03:50 GMT > >>>X-Message-Info: QY4hSA9XRFMHuWZVPb0dcXowdMfwAnNuh9L5WiG3lYE= > >>>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2003 17:03:51.0397 (UTC) > >>>FILETIME=[30730950:01C36CBD] > >>>Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Precedence: bulk > >>>Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>>I find it interesting that when all of you post you throw names out like > >>>Pirie, Zatopek and Igloi's. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY'S AMERICANS. > >>>Listen, being 25 and having run at least at one time with guys in pretty > >>>much every distance final at USATF's at one point or another... and > >>>because discussing training brings great joy to my life, I can tell you > >>>that TODAY'S AMERICANS do NOT train as much quality as I would imagine it > >>>would take to run as fast as the E. Africans. In the US we have two > >>>mode's of thinking... "easy" mileage or lots of shorter faster runs. > >>>People don't undertstand... you need to be doing mileage, fast and often, > >>>with workouts 3-5 times a week where you focus on ALL aspects of running > >>>including sprinting! Its not one or the other. Its not 150 miles easy or > >>>80 miles hard. Its 150 miles hard with workouts. > >>> > >>>M > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: "P.F.Talbot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>Reply-To: "P.F.Talbot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>To: "\"Athletics\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:39:12 -0600 > >>>> > >>>>On hard training. People seem to forget that Pirie, Zatopek and Igloi's > >>>>runners would run 100+ mile weeks of intervals. People trained "harder" > >>>>in > >>>>that era than in any other. Obviously it didn't produce sub 27:00 > >>>>10k's. I > >>>>seriously doubt that it's a matter of western runners not training hard > >>>>enough. > >>>> > >>>>If there is a mental block my guess it would be more on the lines of, > >>>>"they're on drugs so we can't beat them." To which I say, go do drugs, > >>>>but > >>>>that's another matter entirely. > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of edndana > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:22 PM > >>>>To: "Athletics" > >>>>Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Joe - > >>>> > >>>> Well. ..you and I are arguing over semantics, and I don't think our > >>>>argument has anything to do with whatever "problem" there is. > >>>> > >>>>Five years ago, I sensed more of the "excuse" mentality from American > >>>>runners - I don't so much any more. Maybe they aren't training hard > >>>>enough - I really am not sure - but I don't think we have the same > >>>>mentality > >>>>problem we used to have. > >>>> > >>>>As for Geb's hard days in a row, Bruce Lehane's subsequent post would > >>>>seem > >>>>to contradict it. But the world's best marathoners (including > >>>>Americans) > >>>>have been doing a variation on that for at least 30 years. Derek Clayon > >>>>may > >>>>have been the first to really push that particular envelope, although I > >>>>can't help wondering if Lydiard also did during his experimentation in > >>>>the > >>>>1950's and din't have the same success. I don't know what kind of > >>>>training > >>>>Khannouchi does, but plenty of the Africans do numerous medium to hard > >>>>days > >>>>in a row. > >>>> > >>>>For the 5K/10K, true Lydiard disciples did the same thing. Lydiard's > >>>>hill > >>>>phase was five days per week of hills/speed and his speed phase was 4-5 > >>>>days > >>>>of speed. As I'm sure you'll agree, this is nothing new. We are > >>>>unfortunately victims of the hard-easy philosophy in this country. That > >>>>sometimes works, even at the elite level, but I don't believe it is the > >>>>surest way to success. > >>>> > >>>>- Ed > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "Joe Rubio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>To: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>Cc: <"Athletics" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"@mtac2.prodigy.net> > >>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:43 PM > >>>>Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Ed, > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > You think maybe this is part of our "problem" as a distance running > >>>> > nation is the fact that we are arguing over a few miles each way > >>>>whereas > >>>> > athletes in other countries are thinking 120-150 or whatever they > >>>> > actually do at whatever pace they actually do it is just plain old > >>>> > average weekly training if you want to be competitive? > >>>> > > >>>> > Joe > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > edndana wrote: > >>>> > > I don't know, I can't classify 150 mpw, which is no less than > >>>>probably > >>>> > > 80-90% of the world's elite have ever done, as moderate. 120 mpw, > >>>>sure, > >>>> > > that's the very upper end of moderate for an elite male, but what > >>>>Geb > >>>>does > >>>> > > does not look like that much less than the top guys have been doing > >>>>for > >>>>30 > >>>> > > years. Look at the Olympic 5/10/Mar medalists and they have mostly > >>>>been > >>>> > > doing 120-160 since at least 1972, so we can't call Geb moderate > >>>>unless > >>>>we > >>>> > > compare him to guys who were in the small minority. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > I doubt the median of the top 10 guys in the 5K/10K/Mar has changed > >>>>all > >>>>that > >>>> > > much over the past 30 years, and we can't call that moderate. > >>>>Knowing > >>>>to > >>>> > > run 140-160 instead of 200 is old news, and was old news even back > >>>>when > >>>> > > Bowerman made his observation in the early 1970's. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > - Ed Parrot > >>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> > > From: "Joe Rubio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > > To: "edndana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > > Cc: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:02 PM > >>>> > > Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > >>Ed, > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >>"High" mileage by my definition are what a guy like Scobey did in > >>>>the > >>>> > >>early 70's in response to Bedford. 210 a week with a hard track > >>>>workout > >>>> > >>each day at lunch. 12 in the AM, 6 at lunch with interval work, 12 > >>>> > >>before dinner every day except Sunday when it was 30 as hard as he > >>>>could > >>>> > >>make it for a month straight. THAT's high mileage and high > >>>>intensity. > >>>> > >>I'm pretty sure Bill set an AR a few weeks after completing that > >>>>month. > >>>> > >> In my mind, 60-100 a week less than this volume would classify > >>>>as > >>>> > >>moderate. > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >>Joe > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >>edndana wrote: > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >>>I tend to think that Khalid Khannouchi and Deena Drossin would > >>>>have > >>>> > >>>something to say about who the 2 best distance runners in Norh > >>>>America > >>>> > >> > >>>> > > are > >>>> > > > >>>> > >>>if you include marathoners as distance runners. I'm not so sure > >>>>Regina > >>>> > >>>couldn't still break 14:59, either. > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>As for the moderate volume at faster paces, it's certainly not > >>>>true of > >>>> > >>>today's world class marathoners or cross country runners. And if > >>>>the > >>>> > >>>training schedule for Geb below is accurate, he's doing somewhere > >>>> > >> > >>>> > > between > >>>> > > > >>>> > >>>120 and 150 mpw, not exactly "moderate" mileage by most standards. > >>>>Many > >>>> > >> > >>>> > > of > >>>> > > > >>>> > >>>today's runners are actually doing as much or more mileage and > >>>>doing it > >>>> > >>>faster. > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>- Ed Parrot > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>> > >>>From: "Martin J. Dixon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > >>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:01 PM > >>>> > >>>Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>>Maybe the Americans(and Can men) should take a page out of the > >>>>books > >>>>of > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>the 2 > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>>best distance runners in North America right now-Emilie Mondor > >>>>and > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>Courtney > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>>Babcock. Mondor broke a 15 year old national record today and > >>>>Babcock > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>missed by > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>>.18. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Joe Rubio wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>John, > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>From his 5k, 10k and marathon times I'd guess he's running at > >>>>5:20 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > pace > >>>> > > > >>>> > >>>>>for an easier recovery run, 5:00-5:20 for your everyday - garden > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > variety > >>>> > > > >>>> > >>>>>long run, maybe even dropping it down to 4:48 pace near the end. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Something I read from Dellinger a number of years back sticks > >>>>out in > >>>>my > >>>> > >>>>>mind. Now I'm paraphrasing here using a badly damaged brain > >>>>this AM > >>>>of > >>>> > >>>>>too much coffee but I believe he said something to the effect > >>>>that > >>>>the > >>>> > >>>>>next generation of dominant distance runner will not focus on > >>>>the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > weekly > >>>> > > > >>>> > >>>>>mileage so much as they will be running a moderate volume of > >>>>weekly > >>>> > >>>>>mileage at much faster paces all around. In his estimation, > >>>>almost > >>>> > >>>>>everything such as long runs and "recovery" days would be done > >>>>at > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > approx > >>>> > > > >>>> > >>>>>5 minute pace, while still maintaining an appropriate (for them) > >>>>volume > >>>> > >>>>>of work at 1500, 5k and 10k paces. I can dig up the actual > >>>>quote > >>>>from > >>>> > >>>>>his book in the early 80's called "Training for Competitive > >>>>Distance > >>>> > >>>>>Runners" or something close, published by Runner's World Press > >>>>in > >>>>1984 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>(?). > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>>>Looks like Bill saw the writing on the wall back 20 years ago. > >>>>Seems > >>>> > >>>>>similar to the wall Coe saw in the early 80's as well. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Joe > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>John Schiefer wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>The real question is how does Geb define "easy" on his > >>>> > >>>>>>training runs. > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>I'm sure easy for Geb is about 5:45 pace. > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>Schiefer > >>>> > >>>>>>--- malmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>Yup Mike, the Letsrun mentality has infected you. > >>>> > >>>>>>>Find one > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>> > >>>>>>>From: Michael Contopoulos > >>>> > >>>>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:02 PM > >>>> > >>>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > >>>> > >>>>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>>>>>Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>Malmo, on Letsrun you noted that what Geb does is > >>>> > >>>>>>>pretty standard > >>>> > >>>>>>>training. > >>>> > >>>>>>>I disagree. The guy does 4 days of workouts in a > >>>> > >>>>>>>row (not including the > >>>> > >>>>>>>in > >>>> > >>>>>>>betwen easy hour runs) ON TOP of his 3 hour long run > >>>> > >>>>>>>followed by a 1 > >>>> > >>>>>>>hour > >>>> > >>>>>>>run. > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>hard 15-30km run > >>>> > >>>>>>>1 hour easy > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>sprint workout > >>>> > >>>>>>>1 hour easy > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>hills > >>>> > >>>>>>>1 hours easy > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>3x1200 to 8x2000 > >>>> > >>>>>>>w hour easy > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>You tell me that Meb, Pepper, Abdi, Browne, Johnson > >>>> > >>>>>>>are doing 4 workouts > >>>> > >>>>>>>in > >>>> > >>>>>>>consecutive days (with a "sprint" session in > >>>> > >>>>>>>there... which of those > >>>> > >>>>>>>guys > >>>> > >>>>>>>does a "sprint" session?)...on top of a 3 hour run > >>>> > >>>>>>>followed by a one > >>>> > >>>>>>>hour > >>>> > >>>>>>>run once a week... well... round of drinks is on me. > >>>> > >>>>>>>geb trains much > >>>> > >>>>>>>harder > >>>> > >>>>>>>than our guys. And he's supremely confident. And > >>>> > >>>>>>>he's supremely > >>>> > >>>>>>>talented. > >>>> > >>>>>>>That's pretty darn near impossible to beat. > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>Reply-To: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>To: "'edndana'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>> > >>>>>>>>Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:18:03 -0400 > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>I'm basing my wager on this crowd: > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>My guess is that Culpepper is the only one who > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>could run sub-25, with > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>Bickford and Kennedy close. > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>27:13.98 ..... Meb Keflezighi (Nik) 01 > >>>> > >>>>>>>>27:20.56 ......... Mark Nenow (Pum) 86 > >>>> > >>>>>>>>27:25.61 ..... Alberto Salazar (AW) 82 > >>>> > >>>>>>>>27:29.16 ...... Craig Virgin (FRRT) 80 > >>>> > >>>>>>>>27:31.34 ...... Todd Williams (adi) 95 > >>>> > >>>>>>>>27:33.93 ..... Alan Culpepper (adi) 01 > >>>> > >>>>>>>>27:37.17 .... Bruce Bickford (NBal) 85 > >>>> > >>>>>>>>27:38.37 ........ Bob Kennedy (Nik) 99 > >>>> > >>>>>>>>27:41.05 ........ Ed Eyestone (BYU) 85 > >>>> > >>>>>>>>27:42.83 .... Abdi Abdirahman (Nik) 02 > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>> > >>>>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>>>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>Of edndana > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:43 PM > >>>> > >>>>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>Malmo - > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> I can't tell if you agree or disagree with me > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>from your comment. > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>I may be wrong, as I am largely basing my > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>observations on the people I > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>ran against in high school and college. Most of > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>the people that knew > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>around my ability (9:50 2-mile in HS, 32:00 10K > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>after college) could do > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>between 24.5 and 25.5 seconds. I've done 25.1 in a > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>race and I am not > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>particularly fast (My best 100m is 12.5 wind > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>aided). > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>So, I can only conclude that guys who are 3-5 > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>minutes faster than me > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>at 10K could beat me by a few tenths for the 200m. > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>Most of these guys > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>were a lot faster than me in high school as well. > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>It just doesn't seem > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>reasomable that the group of guys running 9:00 in > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>high school is not > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>any faster over 200m than the group of guys running > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>9:45 - as a group. > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>Now maybe the distance runners slow down over 200m > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>between high school > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>and their mid-20's - I certainly didn't, but I also > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>wasn't doing 100+ > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>miles per week of distance training like I should > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>have been. > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>- Ed Parrot > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>> > >>>>>>>>From: "malmo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>To: "'edndana'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:10 PM > >>>> > >>>>>>>>Subject: RE: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>I'd be a big seller on that claim. > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>malmoo > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>Behalf Of edndana > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:01 PM > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: t-and-f: 12:57 last 5000 > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Perhaps our 10k guys (and 5k guys) go about > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>training too much like > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>they would for a marathon and don't focus > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>enough on speed. Geb > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>constantly > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>talks > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>about improving his speed. How many of our > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>10k guys can run 24.5 > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>flat > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>out let alone at the end of a 10k? > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>Jeez, I'm sure at least 8 of our top 10 10K guys > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>could run 24.5 all > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>out, if not all of them. They may never > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>actually have done so, but > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>I bet nearly all of them could. > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>- Ed Parrot > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >>>> >>>>>>_________________________________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with > >>>> > >>>>>>>advanced parental > >>>> > >>>>>>>controls. > >>>> > >>>>>>>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>__________________________________ > >>>> > >>>>>>Do you Yahoo!? > >>>> > >>>>>>Yahoo! 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