I have seen some paths which actually had the same name as the hiking trail running over it. Normally this is not the case, the path usually has is own local name or no name at all. So most of the time this would be an error, but you can't be sure without survey.

Fr Gr Peter Elderson

Op 29 dec. 2022 om 18:28 heeft Tod Fitch <t...@fitchfamily.org> het volgende geschreven:

It makes sense to me that each segment of a long distance walking/hiking route should be looked at individually. It might have no name (uses a section of a driveway), it might have a name of its own (the “San Clemente Beach Trail” near me is part of the long distance “California Coastal Trail”), or it might have been purpose built for that long distance route.

My issue with hiking routes is that people seem to want to use the name field as a description. And they sometimes want to use the ref field as a description too. That makes it really hard for a data consumer to make use of the information. I wrote some stuff about that a bit over a year ago [1].

Cheers,
Tod

[1] https://retiredtechie.fitchfamily.org/2021/09/12/california-hiking-routes-in-openstreetmap/

On Dec 29, 2022, at 7:59 AM, Zeke Farwell <ezeki...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've heard the assertion that a way has no name but the route that passes over it does many times.  While this is true in some cases, in others it is not.  Where the primary purpose of the way is not for the route, this does make sense.  For example mentioned by Jmapb where the Appalachian trail follows an unnamed driveway or sidewalk.  In these cases, the primary purpose is a driveway or sidewalk for local use, and the Appalachian Trail just happens to follow it as well.  Here putting the name Appalachian Trail on the way makes no sense.  However, there are also dedicated sections of trail built first and foremost to be a part of the Appalachian Trail and that have no other name.  Omitting the name Appalachian Trail in a case like that makes no sense to me.  That section of trail is indeed called the Appalachian Trail.  The whole route is also called the Appalachian Trail and that's ok. 


On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 10:38 AM Jmapb <jm...@gmx.com> wrote:
On 12/29/2022 10:13 AM, Zeke Farwell wrote:
Yes, the way name tag should be the most local trail name.  However, sometimes there is no local trail name and the long distance route name is the only name.  In this case putting the long distance route name on the ways also makes sense.

I've been doing some mapping on the Appalachian Trail lately and this appears to be the common practice, although the AT is dominant enough that constituent trails sometimes lose their local names over time.

Some mappers will take it a little too far and tag sections of sidewalk and driveway that the AT follows with name=Appalachian Trail (or even name=Appalachian National Scenic Trail... IMO this is an official_name, and probably only belongs on the route superrelation.)

It's common to see ref=AT as well, which is fine on trails (even locally named ones) and perhaps ok on the sidewalks, but adding it to a vehicular road seems iffy.

Jason




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