On Wednesday 29 August 2012 13:54:32 Sander Deryckere wrote: > I would like to discuss the naming of the arrondissements in Belgium. > > (...) > > 1. When people refer to "Antwerpen", they might mean the province or the > city, but never the arrondissement.
That's mainly because we never ever talk about arrondissements at all :-) > If they mean the arrondissement, > that's always mentioned. And I believe that the name tag should reflect > what people use to refer to the object. > 2. This is also in the choice of the names of Wikipedia articles: They > name the articles Antwerpen > (stad)<https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerpen_%28stad%29>and > Antwerpen > (provincie) <https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerpen_%28provincie%29>, > so the appended (stad) or (provincie) is just a clarification. But the > article of the arrondissement gets the name Arrondissement > Antwerpen<https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissement_Antwerpen>which > means it's part of the name. I wouldn't take every little thing on wikipedia as absolute fact. I wonder if they've thought about it themselves. And should it be "Arrondissement" or what we usually mean with these: "Bestuurlijk arrondissement". Also, if you look at http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerpen_%28gerechtelijk_arrondissement%29 or at http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrondissement_Antwerpen -- if they thought it was part of the name they'd have to capitalize the word, which they don't. If you look at the website of the province of Antwerp: http://www.provant.be/bestuur/grondgebied/ it says: "Verdeeld in drie bestuurlijke arrondissementen, Antwerpen, Mechelen en Turnhout" If it were really part of the name, one would have to repeat "arrondissement" each time. > 3. We can't expect non-OSM members to learn the mapping of the different > admin_levels. So if someone searches the Kerkstraat in Brugge, and they > return with a result of the Kerkstraat in Heist inside Brugge, they > could wrongly think that they have the right street. While if the result > would show the Kerkstraat is in Heist, arrondissement Brugge, the user > might know it's wrong. I don't consider this too much of an issue. If you search a place in OSM, you'll now get the whole list municipality - arrondissement - province - region - country. > 4. Some people want to index the streets per city (to have a quicker > search). Because other countries use different admin_levels for their > city boundaries, the only current way is searching the city node and the > boundary that goes with it by the name tag. By using the city name for the > arrondissements, these tools could get confused. (this last part is mainly > the fault of Germany, where different admin_levels are used for different > importance of cities). This also makes that Nominatim can't automatically > add "Arrondissement" to make the search result of #3 more clear. > > > Off coarse, setting the name to "Arrondissement Antwerpen" also makes the > life of the mapper a bit easier (it's easier to browse through the > different boundary relations), but this is of lesser importance than having > the right data. For once, I don't think we should consider the mapper too much here: once these boundaries are mapped, that's it, they shouldn't really be touched anymore. Ben _______________________________________________ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
