Hi,
I tested a bit the thing, but found it not so easy to start with it. The
setup process is very sumier described and some parts are ommitted (JOSM
remote control).
A more step by step guide of the import itself as case examples and
explanation of the buttons is needed.
To test something, it should be clear what you can do with it and what
it is supposed to do in response to user actions taken.
The orange buttons are overdimensioned and take to much space, which
limits the working view.
A legend should be present as popup to see the meaning of colours.
Popup of the address seems a weird format to me by using a slash to
separate street and number. A slash should only be used to separate
housnumber (+ letter) with letterbox (appartment) number
The address popup shows in the middle of the structure, which means it
does not show when that building is partially outside the working area.
Alternative is popup at cursor position. (Does not to follow the cursor.)
For recent alterations of streets or houses it's of no use (not the
tools fault).
Further more, I think OSM should not be cluttered with info on GRB/Crab.
But the GRB/CRAB tool should store and display itself some flags as eg
verified discrepancy, do not import, obsolete, not as build, etc as
intermediate between OSM and the raw data of Flanders.
I don't have time to test very much more.
Regards,
Gerard.
Jo wrote:
At best, it's another data source to be combined with survey, aerial
photography, Mapillary. But it will be better if it doesn't frustrate
the user for having bugs in it. Gerard expressed in interest in
addresses and thus I thought he might be interested to know that new
data source will become available soon(ish). Faster if more of us can
pitch in with the testing.
Cheers,
Jo
2016-07-01 16:30 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com
<mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com>>:
I totally agree with you on that. I'm one of Glenn's beta testers and
I have noticed that depending on the town, the data given by GRB/Crab
can be good or very bad/outdated.
Also the data is rather limited in the types of buildings that it
recognizes, which is a problem for me.
Feel free to take a look at [1] to see stuff that is obviously wrong
in GRB, even from aerial imagery. I gave up on adding more screenshots
recently, but it should give you an idea of the data quality you can
expect :-)
m.
[1] https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/Screenshots/AGIV-Problems/
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Gerard Vanderveken <g...@ghia.eu
<mailto:g...@ghia.eu>> wrote:
> Congrats!!!
> ( I didn't connect the OSM username with you.)
>
> To me, as there are not much real unmapped places in Belgium,
you should
> always start from the map and during survey check what is
missing and
> otherwise, if what is present on the map is actually still
present and
> correct.
> Else you could take a lot of pictures and notes of things
already done.
> Seems a waste of time and effort to me.
>
> As said below, for me the current mapping of sidewalks is fine!
>
> For the buildings and house numbering, I see a lot of the same
problems with
> these automatic imports as in regard with the 'import' of
satelite photo's.
> Every day, buildings, new streets, ... get constructed or
demolished.
> Satelite photo's and databases are frequently not on par with
the real
> situation.
> eg. In Huldenberg you have Zagerijstraat, Priesterberg, 20
houses down at
> the St-Jansbergstwg, etc.
> IMO, every import at the desk, should be followed or preceeded
by a survey
> at place, to verify current status.
> I consider these tools more as a drawing aid and see the real
force of the
> open street map in its continual survey by the many and as such
following
> much closer the reality, then the other tools.
>
> Regards,
> Gerard
>
>
> Marc Gemis wrote:
>
> I know I mapped the place in detail, but I hoped people would
mention
> what they would map without looking at the map :-)
>
> I stopped mapping house numbers ( I have collected more than
20.000 by
> hand according to Pascal Neis :-) ), as they are imported via
CRAB at
> the moment and maybe later this year via a GRB import (with the
> buildings).
> That's why I turned to other stuff.
>
> I've heard pro's and con's for separate sidewalks & cycleways. I
don't
> separate them as long as there is no physical barrier (hedge, guard
> rail, ditch,...)
> I'll try to map sidewalk=... or cycleway=... on the road though.
>
> I'll have a closer look at the TIA sign
>
> m.
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Gerard Vanderveken <g...@ghia.eu
<mailto:g...@ghia.eu>> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Checking on the map, learns me that most items are already
thoroughly mapped
> (street cabinets, bins, advertising, lanes, crossings,...)
> Things lacking, but not derivable from the photo are the division of
> buildings and the corresponding addresses of the buildings.
> IMO addresses are of more importance then the little street
furniture and
> should get more priority in mapping.
> Not meaning, that I don't appreciate these mappings, every added
object
> counts!
>
> When you have lot of time, you could also map the separated
footwalk and
> bicycle paths, but this is advanced stuff, and I don't recommend
it, as it
> is not so easy to make a correct separation and have all options for
> connections and resulting in no foot etc on the main highway
itself, so that
> routing programs for bike and foot will always select the
correct paths. If
> not done well, it makes more clutter then making things real or
clear.
> It seems these paths are already good and sufficient tagged in
the map.
>
> So, in short, at first sight, not much extra to map from the photo.
> (I assume the sign to TIA is simply a direction and not part of
a (tourist)
> route, which would imply a missing relation for some bicycle
route/network)
>
> Regards,
> Gerard.
>
> Marc Gemis wrote:
>
>
>
> I wonder whether we could learn to see/map more by looking at each
> other's survey pictures. Would it allow novices to "see more" ?
Let's
> try out
> I know the mailing list does not allow to include pictures, so you
> have to do it with a link
>
> What could/would you map when you look at [1] ? What would you
> investigate further ?
>
> Feel free to answer in French/German/English or Dutch
>
> p.s. Feel free to look at the other pictures at the site [2] and map
> anything you want :-) Under the picture you'll find a (i) which
shows
> a map when you click it
>
>
> ---- Nederlands ----
>
> Ik vraag me af of we van elkaar kunnen leren als we kijken naar de
> foto's die we maken tijdens een survey ? Zou het helpen om
> (beginnende) mappers meer te leren zien ? Laat ons het eens
> uitproberen. Jammer genoeg laat de mailing list niet toe om
foto's toe
> te voegen, dus moet je het met een link stellen
>
> Wat zou je kunnen mappen, of wat map je gewoonlijk als je [1]
bekijkt
> ? Wat zou je van nader bij gaan bekijken ?
>
>
> p.s. Het staat je vrij om naar de andere foto's op de site [2] te
> kijken en om het even wat te mappen dat je erop ziet :-) Onder
de foto
> staat een (i), als je daarop klikt, zie je een kaartje.
>
>
>
>
> [1]
>
https://photos.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g/0/O/DSC_3228.jpg
> [2] gallery:
> https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2016/2016-06-09-Wilrijk/i-b8Xdd5g
>
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