Thanks. It’s good to here that the TB (Treasury Board?) are starting to provide support in that way of a kit for municipalities. It would be good to work with the municipal leaders in building capacity with those municipalities with limited capacity and resources to support open data initiatives (see Open Cities Index Results for 2017 https://publicsectordigest.com/open-cities-index-results-2017 published by the PSD. Highlights from the report: • 45 percent of municipalities surveyed have an open data committee in place • Of those respondents with an open data committee, very few are having regular meetings • The vast majority of respondents are either considering an open data policy (33 percent), are in the process of implementing one (7 percent), or already have an established policy (45 percent) • While few municipal respondents have an open data strategic plan currently in place, more than half are considering a plan or are currently implementing one • 69 percent of surveyed municipalities report having internal educational resources in place for their open data program, while 51 percent report having external resources available for the community
I live in Cobourg in Northumberland County south of Peterborough. We do not have an Open Data initiative at either the municipal or regional level. Cobourg received a $450K grant for an incubation hub called Venture 13, and Peterborough is in the process of educating internal staff on their new open data policy. We are hoping to learn from the leaders in OSM and Open Data through hands-on activities like the BC2020i. I have been volunteering my time with the Niagara Region folks for the past two years to try to figure out a way to get the open data into the K-12 education sector. We too have the same need as Clifford and Keith in Manitoba who are trying to figure out how to connect local high school and undergraduate students to a local problem-solving task using the BC202i framework. Marina, It would be help if you could connect with the federal TB team so that they understand what should go into a kit for municipalities and their community partners that want to participate in a BC2020i OSM project. My contact over there is Alannah Hilt (see bio at go-opendata.ca/speaker/alannah-hilt/). Connie, since Niagara Region in number 9 on the list of the top 20 Open Data leaders, is there anything you think we need to add to support the mapathon event in the Niagara Region? Jonathan From: john whelan Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 3:17 PM To: Jonathan Brown Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status The Ottawa building outlines were identified as a possibility by Tracey at a meeting between Stats Can City of Ottawa and a few people from OSM plus a few others by phone who had done something similar. Most of the enriching of OSM from Ottawa's Open Data came through their portal such as the GTFS file. Martin and James have done most of the work integrating what they could find. Once we had the license lined up then I understand the building outline file was supplied separately to the Open Data portal but with the same licence. I think James would know if it came on a USB stick or not. The Stats Can building project has had a lot of interest from municipalities. I think Kingston was very keen. Its value is the mixture of Open Data and the enrichment that comes from the OSM side to give the number of levels etc. TB are supposed to have an Open data kit for municipalities real soon now and that is supposed to include information about the TB 2.0 Open Data Licence that Ottawa is using. Cheerio John On 28 January 2018 at 14:42, Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com> wrote: Okay, I know the Open Data folks and Open Government folks in Ontario. It’s their job to connect to and support the data stewards within government who are releasing data through the Open Data Portal. The federal open government folks are holding a meeting in Toronto this Monday where the provincial and city folks are likely to be in attendance. I can raise this licensing issue and how this is a barrier to crowdsourcing and citizen science, something that they are keen on embracing. It would be good to show them a working example. Has the BC2020i OSM data been integrated into the Ottawa Open Data Portal? Jonathan From: john whelan Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 2:29 PM To: Jonathan Brown Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status If you map from Bing imagery there is no issue. If you do map from Bing please use the building_tool plugin in JOSM. We tend to find new mappers using iD are not very accurate. If the city has an Open Data file of the building outlines then it must be available under a licence that OpenStreetMap can accept. Part of the problem is you can use OpenStreetMap for anything. The Canadian Federal Government noticed there were problems with their Open Data licence for OpenStreetMap amongst others they came up with version 2.0. Ottawa was the first municipality to adopt the new license and it took about five years to get it sorted out from start to finish. I was involved in the original import and was under the impression that since we were importing CANVEC data and that was available under the 2.0 license that the municipal equivalent license was acceptable. Some Stats Canada addresses had been imported from the TB open data portal in Toronto and they were under the same impression. It became apparent that the CANVEC imports were not done under the 2.0 license in OSM's eyes. The TB 2.0 and the Ottawa Open Data license was referred to the LWG for their opinion. Their opinion was they were acceptable. However they wished to view any other Open Data licenses in Canada before giving their benediction. Some Open Data licenses say and if we don't like what you are doing you must remove our data. This is an example on something that OSM would find unacceptable. Once the outlines are in place then other tags can be added. Cheerio John On 28 January 2018 at 13:50, Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com> wrote: If we have a description of the scope of the work involved in updating the BC2020 OD tables, I don’t mind trying to find some senior students who could be trained to take on this task for locations in Ontario. It would be a very small start, of course. Also, can someone explain to me the licensing issue? How do datasets released under the open government license not meet the legal requirements of the OSM license? Jonathan
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