The word is definitely Saint. St is a contraction and neither proper English or French. It has the same Latin roots as sanctification and similar words.
Similarly Av is a contraction for Avenue and not a word. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbreviation > On Mar 15, 2019, at 12:42, Jarek Piórkowski <ja...@piorkowski.ca> wrote: > > Hi all, > > A couple of months back we established a consensus [1] that "St." in > Canadian English city names should not be expanded. > > I have been thinking of having the same for street names, and would > like to ask people's opinions. > > My main motivation is St. Clair Avenue in Toronto. Every city source I > could find and every street sign I saw in Mapillary says "St. Clair" > or "St Clair". The TTC stations and routes are consistently "St > Clair". The City uses "St. Clair Avenue West" in official documents > like [2]. Geobase in Toronto has "St Clair Avenue West" , "St Clarens > Avenue", and "St Helens Avenue". Currently most of the street is named > "Saint Clair Avenue West/East" in OpenStreetMap, but this is changed > for some parts of the road every now and then. > > As a local mapper I would say that "St. Clair Avenue West" is the full > name. Unlike with "Av", "Ave", "W", the "St" in "St Clair" is IMO not > an abbreviation. > > Across the Golden Horseshoe names starting with "St. " or "St " seem > to be a bit more common [3] than "Saint" [4], I gather the > acronym-expanders have not looked as much outside of Toronto. > > Would we have Ontario community consensus for a statement along the lines of: > "Where "St." or "St" is normally used in the full street name, it > should not be expanded to "Saint" even if pronounced so"? > > (I don't know what the naming conventions are in other provinces, so I > focus on Ontario for now. Apologies for being Ontario-centric, but I > don't know of a better venue that is Ontario-specific. I'll post links > to this message in wiki talk pages for Ontario, WikiProject_Canada, > and Canadian_tagging_guidelines.) > > As part of my checks I also looked at London UK, which I gather might > be the most-intensively-mapped English-speaking city. (Recommendations > for better-mapped English-speaking cities welcome). Searching for > "St." in road names [5], it has street names for bigger streets like > "St. John Street" and "St. Pancras Way"; [6] has name="St. Paul's > Road" + not:name="Saint Paul's Road" and has had so for 5 years. > Compare with searching for "Saint" [7] which also has some hits, > suggesting that both can be valid depending on what is signed and > used. (Or maybe it's just inconsistent.) > > [1] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Municipality_Names > [2] https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2016/ey/bgrd/backgroundfile-92339.pdf > [3] https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H1M > [4] https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H1P > [5] https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/GPh > [6] https://osm.org/way/230843467 > [7] https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/GPi > > Thanks, > --Jarek > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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