I think the osm database should use proper words. Abbreviating is a rendering issue and many rendering engines can do that. Space constraints on signage dictate the use of abbreviations for those.
> On Mar 15, 2019, at 12:50, Kevin Farrugia <kevinfarru...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Jarek, > > I agree that of the sign has a short form for saint then it should be that > way on the map too, as the sign text comes from the official records of > street names. > > I think St. Is better with a period as it makes it less ambiguous to it being > an abbreviation and it may help screen readers or spoken directions in maps > provide the right information. > > ------- > Kevin F > > >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 12:44 PM Jarek Piórkowski <ja...@piorkowski.ca> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> A couple of months back we established a consensus [1] that "St." in >> Canadian English city names should not be expanded. >> >> I have been thinking of having the same for street names, and would >> like to ask people's opinions. >> >> My main motivation is St. Clair Avenue in Toronto. Every city source I >> could find and every street sign I saw in Mapillary says "St. Clair" >> or "St Clair". The TTC stations and routes are consistently "St >> Clair". The City uses "St. Clair Avenue West" in official documents >> like [2]. Geobase in Toronto has "St Clair Avenue West" , "St Clarens >> Avenue", and "St Helens Avenue". Currently most of the street is named >> "Saint Clair Avenue West/East" in OpenStreetMap, but this is changed >> for some parts of the road every now and then. >> >> As a local mapper I would say that "St. Clair Avenue West" is the full >> name. Unlike with "Av", "Ave", "W", the "St" in "St Clair" is IMO not >> an abbreviation. >> >> Across the Golden Horseshoe names starting with "St. " or "St " seem >> to be a bit more common [3] than "Saint" [4], I gather the >> acronym-expanders have not looked as much outside of Toronto. >> >> Would we have Ontario community consensus for a statement along the lines of: >> "Where "St." or "St" is normally used in the full street name, it >> should not be expanded to "Saint" even if pronounced so"? >> >> (I don't know what the naming conventions are in other provinces, so I >> focus on Ontario for now. Apologies for being Ontario-centric, but I >> don't know of a better venue that is Ontario-specific. I'll post links >> to this message in wiki talk pages for Ontario, WikiProject_Canada, >> and Canadian_tagging_guidelines.) >> >> As part of my checks I also looked at London UK, which I gather might >> be the most-intensively-mapped English-speaking city. (Recommendations >> for better-mapped English-speaking cities welcome). Searching for >> "St." in road names [5], it has street names for bigger streets like >> "St. John Street" and "St. Pancras Way"; [6] has name="St. Paul's >> Road" + not:name="Saint Paul's Road" and has had so for 5 years. >> Compare with searching for "Saint" [7] which also has some hits, >> suggesting that both can be valid depending on what is signed and >> used. (Or maybe it's just inconsistent.) >> >> [1] >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Municipality_Names >> [2] https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2016/ey/bgrd/backgroundfile-92339.pdf >> [3] https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H1M >> [4] https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/H1P >> [5] https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/GPh >> [6] https://osm.org/way/230843467 >> [7] https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/GPi >> >> Thanks, >> --Jarek >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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