Yeah, it changes from place to place and what has historically been the standard. I'm not against changing the standard, maybe we just need a better or updated definition for what can be a primary road in Ontario.
Perhaps we make some standards for the heavily urbanised areas of Ontario where "provincial highway or former provincial highway" isn't a useful definition. There are several Regional roads/numbered city roads that would come to mind that would be decent candidates, as they connect lower and/or upper tier municipalities, usually direct traffic to 400-Series Highways, have heavy volume, and allow trucks. Thoughts? -Kevin On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 21:08, Andrew Deng <andrewden...@yahoo.ca> wrote: > I thought the tagging would be similar to the US, where roads are tagged > based on its traffic volume and importance which is why I thought Yonge > should be Primary. I see now. > > -- > > > > Andrew > Student > > > On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:31:48 p.m. EDT, Kevin Farrugia < > kevinfarru...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hey Andrew, > > I'm in agreement with Justin. I think it's too urban a road, with urban > speed limits along almost its entire length and many traffic lights. I > definitely wouldn't consider the part of Yonge through downtown Toronto (or > most of Toronto for that matter) to be Primary, with truck traffic banned > and urban speed limits/road designs. Arguably the subway has lowered the > importance of Yonge Street for cars/trucks. As for intercity travel, the > 400-Series Highways have generally made travel using former King's Highways > in the Golden Horseshoe a thing of the past (hence the download in the > '90s), so being a former Provincial Highway is too simple of a definition, > IMO. > > Some of those former King's Highways you mentioned in your email were > tagged as Secondary from when they were first digitized until they were > changed a year or so ago by one user, so they haven't always been like that > and weren't really changed by consensus (thanks for the email, btw). > > My thoughts/opinion anyways... > > Cheers, > > -Kevin > > > On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 14:09, Justin Tracey <j3tra...@gmail.com> wrote: > > In Canada, highway=primary is typically used for what I would call > "highway-like" roads.[0] IMHO, Yonge is a "major" road, but has too many > cross streets to be really considered highway-like, at least for most of > its length. You can look at some of the other highway=primary roads in the > area to see a more typical cross-traffic density. That said, I certainly > wouldn't engage in an edit war over it or anything. > > - Justin > > [0] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines#Sub-national_and_below > > On 2020-07-16 11:28 a.m., Andrew Deng via Talk-ca wrote: > > Hello, I believe Yonge Street in Toronto and York Region (Regional Road 1) > should be tagged as highway=primary rather than highway=secondary as it is > tagged now. > > Here are some reasons I believe why: > > 1) Yonge Street is considered the "Main Street" of Toronto, Thornhill, > Richmond Hill, and Aurora. It is also a major road in Newmarket. > > 2) It is a major thoroughfare throughout the route. In Toronto, the Yonge > subway follows it and in York Region, Viva bus lanes are being built. It > also connects to Bradford in the north. > > 3) It was a former Ontario King's Highway - Highway 11. Some other former > King's Highways in the Toronto/York area are tagged as highway=primary, > such as Highway 27, Highway 7, and Highway 48. > > -- > > > > Andrew > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing > listTalk-ca@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >
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