On 18-Jan-17 01:23 AM, SK53 wrote:
I do use these from time to time. My usual use cases are:
* Small named estates of social housing. These are common throughout
Greater London and the name is usually shown on boards around the
perimeter of each estate. Even for ones without such boards there
is often good evidence for the name (for instance Municpal Dreams'
blog on social housing often uses them). Conceivably these could
also be tagged place=neighbourhood, but I think that may be
misleading as they will usually be described as XXX Estate, YYY
Suburb.
* Student Villages. Gated sets of apartment blocks marketed to
students only. Although a fairly recent innovation in the UK, they
often represent a significant, and historically interesting
development. These I also tag residential=student_village. There
are at least 5 within a mile of here.
* Very well defined, named residential areas too small to be a
suburb. A pretty unusual occurrence because unlike the two cases
above boundaries are often subjective. In many cases these will be
discrete housing developments (private or social) which retain an
identity. Often the name will be a local_name, such as Sterling
Homes Estate, or the Wimpy Estate. A good example would be the
'Bomber Estate' in Maidenhead
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24992892>. Again I tend to
avoid neighbourhood because what defines these places is often
just commonality of building types and time of the development.
* Retail Parks & Shopping Centres.
* Industrial Estates & Business Parks.
* Farm names on landuse=farmyard. I much prefer this to place=farm.
I also often exclude the similarly named original farm house as
these are increasingly not part of the farm itself. Even if the
owner of the farm lives in the house it is unusual for them to
farm themselves.
I am just adding a landuse=farm with a name. And with produce=nut;fruit
nut=macadamia fruit=avocado. In this case I have a good boundary and I
have a fair amount of information about the place.
Generally I add a node place=farm as I am not certain where the boundary
lies .. the next farm looks much like this one and I don't know which
field is which farms.
Generally here the main farm residence carries the same name, and is
used by the farm manager as their residence, I add a polygon as the
building outline with building=farm, name=*.
Other uses include:
* Area with both landuse and a place tag. Most often villages, but
some suburbs of Milton Keynes have been mapped that way. MK is
unusual in that the grid and area names are well-defined.
* Field names (a few examples to the W of MK). One of these
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/232551091> applies to a former
field which is now residential. Wrong in my view. (I really like
the idea of capturing current or former field names in OSM, but I
dont think this is the right way to do it).
* Individual residential buildings. E.g., a hall of residence
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/297281678> in London. Sometimes
unavoidable.
So to take the examples to hand:
* The two Hurlingham elements may represent real local distinctions.
* Retail areas. Many of these names will be in use although probably
in a) local planning documents; b) commercial estate agents and c)
retail professionals. Names used by locals may different and
harder to establish as accepted usage. In these cases it may be
that the name is better placed in an alternative name tag, showing
that the name is in use but only within specific communities or
use cases. Perhaps someone from Geolytix could provide input on
this subject as they have the relevant expertise. Alternatively
diligent searching in the local press and planning documents may
establish that the usage is current.
In short: in many cases names on landuse are a very convenient way of
ensuring a name used for a location is available with OSM without
having to precisely define it with other tags. In some cases the
boundaries are very well defined and the area is also defined with
other tags such as place=*.
Jerry
On 17 January 2017 at 13:33, Andrew Hain <andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk
<mailto:andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
A recent changeset in southwest London
[https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43807789
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43807789>] added names to
landuse=residential and landuse=commercial polygons. The mapper
has not responded to the changeset comment that I left some weeks
ago. The names themselves read more like descriptions to me as a
local and they were added to the existing polygons, which are
somewhat arbitrary (you could micromap with a polygon for each
block omitting all roads). These names appear on OSM-carto in italics.
What is a general view on when it makes sense to add a name to a
landuse polygon?
--
Andrew
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