Hi
To repeat, They do exist, but only as a record of old data, not current.
just as there's a record of Humberside & Avon. That they don't get
altered is irrelevant.
I disagree about their legality.
DaveF
On 26/08/2018 23:01, Adam Snape wrote:
Hi,
Both Colin and Dave have repeated the implication that the traditional
counties don't exist. It's very much arguable I guess, certainly
successive governments have made clear that they recognised the
continued existence of the traditional counties, and that
administrative changes neither legally abolished nor altered these
counties.
On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, 22:01 Colin Smale, <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl
<mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl>> wrote:
Except that the "ceremonial counties" actually do exist, and serve
a function. They are formally called "Lieutenancy Areas" and
represent the jurisdiction of the Lord Lieutenant as direct
representative of the monarchy. Their boundaries are maintained by
a different legal process to the admin areas, and on occasions can
diverge for a limited period until they catch up with changes to
admin boundaries. And then there is the Stockton-on-Tees
anomaly...the borough is divided between the ceremonial counties
of Durham and North Yorkshire.
Thanks Colin,
Yes, I was aware of how the ceremonial counties are defined. I think
if we're truly honest with ourselves we don't really map them because
lord lieutenancies (as wonderfully arcane and obscure as they are) are
of any real importance, but because they provide a vaguely sensible
and recognisable set of geographic areas that we can call counties.
Certainly if administrative importance were genuinely to be our
criteria for mapping we would be mapping all kinds of things prior to
lord lieutenancies.
In practical terms lords lieutenant are historic, honorary crown
appointments and little more. If we actually believed this was
justification for mapping we could use the same arguments for mapping
the areas over which the royal duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall
perform various honorary and historic functions (such as appointing
the ever-so-important-in-the-present-day lords lieutenant) and
exercise special rights. Incidentally their legally-defined and extant
boundaries are the historic/traditional boundaries of the counties of
Lancashire and Cornwall :)
Kind regards,
Adam
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