On 10/12/2020 21:17, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB wrote:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 12:52 PM Martin Wynne <mar...@templot.com
<mailto:mar...@templot.com>> wrote:
Are there any public cycleways from which pedestrians are actually
banned?
I don’t know the legal basis, but according to OSM there are plenty of
cycleways or roads from which pedestrians are banned in London:
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/113w <https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/113w>
A lot of those (well, all the ones I've looked at, so far) though, are
very short sections of way where a cycle route crosses a highway and
pedestrians and cyclists have separate crossings, or where motor
vehicles are not permitted to pass between adjacent streets but cycles
are, or the cycle part of a segregated shared path.
For example, this:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/629241214#map=19/51.49476/-0.18489
is this:
https://goo.gl/maps/vxqspvdGuMGn8h1S7
So I don't think that there's a legal prohibition on pedestrians using
the cycle crossing. It's just that there's no reason why they should,
since the pedestrian crossing follows the desire line and is parallel to
the cycle crossing.
Similarly, this:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/583599687#map=19/51.58505/-0.09844
is this:
https://goo.gl/maps/cYZENZNhCKsUiGeD7
Cyclists can pass through the gaps, and pedestrians can move between the
streets on the pavement. It's just motor vehicles that are blocked.
And this:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/536798839#map=19/51.46204/-0.18448
is this:
https://goo.gl/maps/7daSfV5ncbfsixVH8
which is just a segregated shared path (as indicated by the road sign).
In all these cases, the dedicated cycleway is either very short, or runs
alongside a footway, or both. It's unlikely that there is any actual
legal restriction on pedestrians using the cycleway part (especially
given that there are no prohibition signs, which would be necessary for
any such restriction to be enforceable), it's just that there's no
reason why pedestrians would normally want to. But that doesn't mean it
should be tagged as "foot":"no". I think that's possibly just tagging
for the router.
Mark
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