Hi Jeffrey, A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. Would it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that there will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time for discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour.
Dave On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe <tdr...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to host > you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to > host if you wanted the 14th. > Jeffrey Roe, > www.tog.ie > > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley <davecor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list, > > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead with > > this. > > > > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay quiet > > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible to do > > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an > informal > > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and organisational > > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think its > > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment about > > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I > feel > > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in place ( > we > > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). > > > > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the mail > > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as usual, > > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think its > > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single one, > > where several of us come together and blitz the main items: > > > > - Constitution > > - Memorandum of association > > - Articles of association > > - Interim board > > - etc etc > > > > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of the > way > > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for > feedback, > > comment and to close out any remaining items. > > > > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for this, > > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a > single > > day, to get a much larger group to participate. > > > > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try organise > > some sponsorship of refreshments. > > > > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a Saturday > in > > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. > > > > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to be > > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for > > refreshments. > > > > Dave > > > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> > wrote: > > > >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up. > >> > >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, but > >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it would > >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from an > >> official body. > >> > >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of us! > >> > >> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞 But I'll > >> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was > >> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is now a > >> DAC (designed activity company(?)) > >> > >> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at all > >>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on > and > >>> give your feedback when you're done. > >>> > >>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and > >>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the > >>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, > boring > >>> process to get it all done. > >>> > >>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, I > >>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to > allow > >>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few > questions > >>> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I > >>> recall > >>> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM > Ireland, > >>> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that > ratio > >>> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I originally > >>> expected. > >>> > >>> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at an > >>> absolute minimum, could do the following > >>> > >>> - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some organisation > >>> around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives etc. > >>> This > >>> could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just > even > >>> setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great > achievement > >>> - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple > >>> things > >>> like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to ensure > >>> every > >>> new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism etc. > >>> Basically, > >>> just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage with > new > >>> folks > >>> in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no reason > >>> why a > >>> number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month > period > >>> if > >>> this is done right. > >>> - Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing pool of > >>> open > >>> data being released. To make full use of it is going to require a > >>> signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising, > >>> prioritising, > >>> tools and import process). > >>> - Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example doing a > 1 > >>> month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors using > >>> Osmi or > >>> keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland > mapping > >>> project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could have a > >>> real, > >>> lasting impact on the map > >>> - Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This doesn't > need > >>> to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would likely > be > >>> one > >>> day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference going > within > >>> 2 > >>> years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference etc). > >>> There's > >>> enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and academic > >>> folks > >>> that is easily within reach. > >>> - Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the biggest > >>> > >>> population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a > location > >>> outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a night away > >>> where > >>> we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit the > ground > >>> in a > >>> town and get every street name, address, business and attraction > all > >>> in one > >>> day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few drinks. > >>> > >>> In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to work > on > >>> them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the bag > and > >>> to avoid burnout. > >>> > >>> Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think OSM > >>> Ireland > >>> should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally fine. > >>> It's > >>> kind of the point of this email :) > >>> > >>> With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am > proposing > >>> is > >>> the following > >>> > >>> 1. A meeting in early Sept (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will come > >>> together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM Ireland. > >>> Note, > >>> this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the structure > and, > >>> most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g. research > >>> whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal > >>> requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc > >>> > >>> 2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the structure is > >>> locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if required > at > >>> this point. Again, some people would need to agree to take on some > tasks > >>> to > >>> keep the process moving. > >>> > >>> 3. A third meeting in Nov and a fourth in Dec, to lock down any last > >>> elements. At this point we would need to agree a provisional board > >>> probably, to allow for paperwork to proceed for banks, govt. etc. Note, > >>> this board would step down at the first general meeting of OSM Ireland > and > >>> elections would be held at that first meeting. > >>> > >>> 4. Jan, get all the paperwork sent to whoever > >>> > >>> 5. TBD, once paperwork is approved by relevant bodies, agenda for first > >>> general meeting to be determined and election process to begin > >>> > >>> There you go. With a bit of luck, before the next round of green > >>> milkshakes > >>> hits McDonalds, we would be a formal entity and we could start talking > >>> about moving to the next stage, which would be completing the OSMF > chapter > >>> application, not to mention any other objectives we might have. > >>> > >>> So, who's in? > >>> > >>> Dave > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Talk-ie mailing list > >>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > >>> > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
