John & Donal, It's definitely a case of the more, the better.
Dave On 12 Sep 2017 09:03, "John Ronan" <jpron...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would be interesting in attending as well (From Waterford). If I can > at all. It would be good to put faces to the names. > > Regards > John > > On 11/09/17 21:57, Donal Hunt wrote: > > I'm certainly interested in attending (based in Cork, Ireland) so need > some > > leadtime and ability to travel up for it. Either Saturday seems good > right > > now. > > Thanks! > > > > Donal > > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dave Corley <davecor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Much appreciated folks. > >> > >> Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a > ticket > >> booth to track numbers then. > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> Dave > >> > >> On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell" <t4d...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put > my > >>> name down to host the event. > >>> Tad > >>> > >>> On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley <davecor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Jeffrey, > >>>> > >>>> A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. > >>> Would > >>>> it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that > >>> there > >>>> will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time > >> for > >>>> discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or > >>>> other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour. > >>>> > >>>> Dave > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe <tdr...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>>>> There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you > >>>>> would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. > >>>>> An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to > >> host > >>>>> you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to > >>>>> host if you wanted the 14th. > >>>>> Jeffrey Roe, > >>>>> www.tog.ie > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley <davecor...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail > >> list, > >>>>>> Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead > >>>> with > >>>>>> this. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay > >>>> quiet > >>>>>> and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible > >>> to > >>>> do > >>>>>> everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an > >>>>> informal > >>>>>> grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and > >>> organisational > >>>>>> interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think > >>> its > >>>>>> necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment > >>>> about > >>>>>> there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right > >> now I > >>>>> feel > >>>>>> there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in > >>> place > >>>> ( > >>>>> we > >>>>>> are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, > >> the > >>>> mail > >>>>>> list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as > >>>> usual, > >>>>>> the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I > >> think > >>>> its > >>>>>> best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a > >> single > >>>> one, > >>>>>> where several of us come together and blitz the main items: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Constitution > >>>>>> - Memorandum of association > >>>>>> - Articles of association > >>>>>> - Interim board > >>>>>> - etc etc > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of > >>> the > >>>>> way > >>>>>> there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for > >>>>> feedback, > >>>>>> comment and to close out any remaining items. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for > >>>> this, > >>>>>> say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to > >> a > >>>>> single > >>>>>> day, to get a much larger group to participate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try > >>>> organise > >>>>>> some sponsorship of refreshments. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a > >>> Saturday > >>>>> in > >>>>>> Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just > >> to > >>> be > >>>>>> able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for > >>>>>> refreshments. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dave > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set > >> up. > >>>>>>> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, > >>> but > >>>>>>> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it > >>> would > >>>>>>> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're > >> from > >>> an > >>>>>>> official body. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of > >>> us! > >>>>>>> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. ๐๐๐ > >> But > >>>> I'll > >>>>>>> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was > >>>>>>> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is > >>> now a > >>>>>>> DAC (designed activity company(?)) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are > >> at > >>>> all > >>>>>>>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please > >> read > >>> on > >>>>> and > >>>>>>>> give your feedback when you're done. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and > >>>>>>>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of > >>> the > >>>>>>>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally > >> long, > >>>>> boring > >>>>>>>> process to get it all done. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two > >>> ago, > >>>> I > >>>>>>>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions > >> to > >>>>> allow > >>>>>>>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few > >>>>> questions > >>>>>>>> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. > >> If > >>> I > >>>>>>>> recall > >>>>>>>> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM > >>>>> Ireland, > >>>>>>>> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But > >> that > >>>>> ratio > >>>>>>>> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I > >>>> originally > >>>>>>>> expected. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, > >>> at > >>>> an > >>>>>>>> absolute minimum, could do the following > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some > >>>> organisation > >>>>>>>> around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives > >>>> etc. > >>>>>>>> This > >>>>>>>> could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, > >> just > >>>>> even > >>>>>>>> setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great > >>>>> achievement > >>>>>>>> - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some > >>> simple > >>>>>>>> things > >>>>>>>> like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to > >>>> ensure > >>>>>>>> every > >>>>>>>> new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism > >>> etc. > >>>>>>>> Basically, > >>>>>>>> just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage > >>> with > >>>>> new > >>>>>>>> folks > >>>>>>>> in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no > >>>> reason > >>>>>>>> why a > >>>>>>>> number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month > >>>>> period > >>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>> this is done right. > >>>>>>>> - Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing > >> pool > >>>> of > >>>>>>>> open > >>>>>>>> data being released. To make full use of it is going to > >>> require a > >>>>>>>> signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising, > >>>>>>>> prioritising, > >>>>>>>> tools and import process). > >>>>>>>> - Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example > >>> doing > >>>> a > >>>>> 1 > >>>>>>>> month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors > >>>> using > >>>>>>>> Osmi or > >>>>>>>> keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland > >>>>> mapping > >>>>>>>> project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could > >>> have a > >>>>>>>> real, > >>>>>>>> lasting impact on the map > >>>>>>>> - Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This > >>> doesn't > >>>>> need > >>>>>>>> to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would > >>> likely > >>>>> be > >>>>>>>> one > >>>>>>>> day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference > >> going > >>>>> within > >>>>>>>> 2 > >>>>>>>> years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference > >> etc). > >>>>>>>> There's > >>>>>>>> enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and > >>>> academic > >>>>>>>> folks > >>>>>>>> that is easily within reach. > >>>>>>>> - Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the > >> biggest > >>>>>>>> population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a > >>>>> location > >>>>>>>> outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a > >> night > >>>> away > >>>>>>>> where > >>>>>>>> we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit > >> the > >>>>> ground > >>>>>>>> in a > >>>>>>>> town and get every street name, address, business and > >>> attraction > >>>>> all > >>>>>>>> in one > >>>>>>>> day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few > >>>> drinks. > >>>>>>>> In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to > >>>> work > >>>>> on > >>>>>>>> them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the > >>> bag > >>>>> and > >>>>>>>> to avoid burnout. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think > >> OSM > >>>>>>>> Ireland > >>>>>>>> should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally > >>>> fine. > >>>>>>>> It's > >>>>>>>> kind of the point of this email :) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am > >>>>> proposing > >>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>> the following > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 1. A meeting in early Sept (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will > >> come > >>>>>>>> together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM > >>> Ireland. > >>>>>>>> Note, > >>>>>>>> this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the > >> structure > >>>>> and, > >>>>>>>> most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g. > >>>> research > >>>>>>>> whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal > >>>>>>>> requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the > >>> structure > >>>> is > >>>>>>>> locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if > >>> required > >>>>> at > >>>>>>>> this point. Again, some people would need to agree to take on > >> some > >>>>> tasks > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> keep the process moving. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 3. A third meeting in Nov and a fourth in Dec, to lock down any > >>> last > >>>>>>>> elements. At this point we would need to agree a provisional > >> board > >>>>>>>> probably, to allow for paperwork to proceed for banks, govt. etc. > >>>> Note, > >>>>>>>> this board would step down at the first general meeting of OSM > >>>> Ireland > >>>>> and > >>>>>>>> elections would be held at that first meeting. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 4. Jan, get all the paperwork sent to whoever > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 5. TBD, once paperwork is approved by relevant bodies, agenda for > >>>> first > >>>>>>>> general meeting to be determined and election process to begin > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There you go. With a bit of luck, before the next round of green > >>>>>>>> milkshakes > >>>>>>>> hits McDonalds, we would be a formal entity and we could start > >>>> talking > >>>>>>>> about moving to the next stage, which would be completing the > >> OSMF > >>>>> chapter > >>>>>>>> application, not to mention any other objectives we might have. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So, who's in? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dave > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Talk-ie mailing list > >>>>>>>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > >>>>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Talk-ie mailing list > >>>>>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Talk-ie mailing list > >>>>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Talk-ie mailing list > >>>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Talk-ie mailing list > >>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Talk-ie mailing list > >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
