As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my name down to host the event. Tad
On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley <davecor...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jeffrey, > > A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. Would > it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that there > will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time for > discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or > other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour. > > Dave > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe <tdr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you > > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. > > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to host > > you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to > > host if you wanted the 14th. > > Jeffrey Roe, > > www.tog.ie > > > > > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley <davecor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list, > > > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead > with > > > this. > > > > > > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay > quiet > > > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible to > do > > > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an > > informal > > > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and organisational > > > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think its > > > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment > about > > > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I > > feel > > > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in place > ( > > we > > > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). > > > > > > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the > mail > > > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as > usual, > > > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think > its > > > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single > one, > > > where several of us come together and blitz the main items: > > > > > > - Constitution > > > - Memorandum of association > > > - Articles of association > > > - Interim board > > > - etc etc > > > > > > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of the > > way > > > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for > > feedback, > > > comment and to close out any remaining items. > > > > > > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for > this, > > > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a > > single > > > day, to get a much larger group to participate. > > > > > > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try > organise > > > some sponsorship of refreshments. > > > > > > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a Saturday > > in > > > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. > > > > > > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to be > > > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for > > > refreshments. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> > > wrote: > > > > > >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up. > > >> > > >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, but > > >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it would > > >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from an > > >> official body. > > >> > > >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of us! > > >> > > >> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞 But > I'll > > >> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was > > >> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is now a > > >> DAC (designed activity company(?)) > > >> > > >> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi, > > >>> > > >>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at > all > > >>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read on > > and > > >>> give your feedback when you're done. > > >>> > > >>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and > > >>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of the > > >>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, > > boring > > >>> process to get it all done. > > >>> > > >>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two ago, > I > > >>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to > > allow > > >>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few > > questions > > >>> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If I > > >>> recall > > >>> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM > > Ireland, > > >>> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that > > ratio > > >>> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I > originally > > >>> expected. > > >>> > > >>> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, at > an > > >>> absolute minimum, could do the following > > >>> > > >>> - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some > organisation > > >>> around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives > etc. > > >>> This > > >>> could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just > > even > > >>> setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great > > achievement > > >>> - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some simple > > >>> things > > >>> like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to > ensure > > >>> every > > >>> new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism etc. > > >>> Basically, > > >>> just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage with > > new > > >>> folks > > >>> in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no > reason > > >>> why a > > >>> number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month > > period > > >>> if > > >>> this is done right. > > >>> - Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing pool > of > > >>> open > > >>> data being released. To make full use of it is going to require a > > >>> signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising, > > >>> prioritising, > > >>> tools and import process). > > >>> - Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example doing > a > > 1 > > >>> month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors > using > > >>> Osmi or > > >>> keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland > > mapping > > >>> project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could have a > > >>> real, > > >>> lasting impact on the map > > >>> - Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This doesn't > > need > > >>> to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would likely > > be > > >>> one > > >>> day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference going > > within > > >>> 2 > > >>> years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference etc). > > >>> There's > > >>> enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and > academic > > >>> folks > > >>> that is easily within reach. > > >>> - Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the biggest > > >>> > > >>> population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a > > location > > >>> outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a night > away > > >>> where > > >>> we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit the > > ground > > >>> in a > > >>> town and get every street name, address, business and attraction > > all > > >>> in one > > >>> day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few > drinks. > > >>> > > >>> In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to > work > > on > > >>> them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the bag > > and > > >>> to avoid burnout. > > >>> > > >>> Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think OSM > > >>> Ireland > > >>> should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally > fine. > > >>> It's > > >>> kind of the point of this email :) > > >>> > > >>> With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am > > proposing > > >>> is > > >>> the following > > >>> > > >>> 1. A meeting in early Sept (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will come > > >>> together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM Ireland. > > >>> Note, > > >>> this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the structure > > and, > > >>> most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g. > research > > >>> whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal > > >>> requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc > > >>> > > >>> 2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the structure > is > > >>> locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if required > > at > > >>> this point. Again, some people would need to agree to take on some > > tasks > > >>> to > > >>> keep the process moving. > > >>> > > >>> 3. A third meeting in Nov and a fourth in Dec, to lock down any last > > >>> elements. At this point we would need to agree a provisional board > > >>> probably, to allow for paperwork to proceed for banks, govt. etc. > Note, > > >>> this board would step down at the first general meeting of OSM > Ireland > > and > > >>> elections would be held at that first meeting. > > >>> > > >>> 4. Jan, get all the paperwork sent to whoever > > >>> > > >>> 5. TBD, once paperwork is approved by relevant bodies, agenda for > first > > >>> general meeting to be determined and election process to begin > > >>> > > >>> There you go. With a bit of luck, before the next round of green > > >>> milkshakes > > >>> hits McDonalds, we would be a formal entity and we could start > talking > > >>> about moving to the next stage, which would be completing the OSMF > > chapter > > >>> application, not to mention any other objectives we might have. > > >>> > > >>> So, who's in? > > >>> > > >>> Dave > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Talk-ie mailing list > > >>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > >>> > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Talk-ie mailing list > > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
