Much appreciated folks. Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a ticket booth to track numbers then.
Thanks again, Dave On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell" <t4d...@gmail.com> wrote: > As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my > name down to host the event. > Tad > > On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley <davecor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Jeffrey, > > > > A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling. > Would > > it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that > there > > will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time for > > discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or > > other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour. > > > > Dave > > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe <tdr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you > > > would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th. > > > An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to host > > > you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to > > > host if you wanted the 14th. > > > Jeffrey Roe, > > > www.tog.ie > > > > > > > > > On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley <davecor...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail list, > > > > Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead > > with > > > > this. > > > > > > > > Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay > > quiet > > > > and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible > to > > do > > > > everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an > > > informal > > > > grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and > organisational > > > > interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think > its > > > > necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment > > about > > > > there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right now I > > > feel > > > > there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in > place > > ( > > > we > > > > are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts). > > > > > > > > That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago, the > > mail > > > > list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as > > usual, > > > > the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I think > > its > > > > best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a single > > one, > > > > where several of us come together and blitz the main items: > > > > > > > > - Constitution > > > > - Memorandum of association > > > > - Articles of association > > > > - Interim board > > > > - etc etc > > > > > > > > What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of > the > > > way > > > > there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for > > > feedback, > > > > comment and to close out any remaining items. > > > > > > > > I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for > > this, > > > > say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to a > > > single > > > > day, to get a much larger group to participate. > > > > > > > > In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try > > organise > > > > some sponsorship of refreshments. > > > > > > > > Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a > Saturday > > > in > > > > Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else. > > > > > > > > Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just to > be > > > > able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for > > > > refreshments. > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set up. > > > >> > > > >> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body, > but > > > >> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it > would > > > >> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're from > an > > > >> official body. > > > >> > > > >> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of > us! > > > >> > > > >> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞 But > > I'll > > > >> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was > > > >> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is > now a > > > >> DAC (designed activity company(?)) > > > >> > > > >> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hi, > > > >>> > > > >>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are at > > all > > > >>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please read > on > > > and > > > >>> give your feedback when you're done. > > > >>> > > > >>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and > > > >>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of > the > > > >>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally long, > > > boring > > > >>> process to get it all done. > > > >>> > > > >>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two > ago, > > I > > > >>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions to > > > allow > > > >>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few > > > questions > > > >>> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly. If > I > > > >>> recall > > > >>> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM > > > Ireland, > > > >>> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But that > > > ratio > > > >>> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I > > originally > > > >>> expected. > > > >>> > > > >>> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which, > at > > an > > > >>> absolute minimum, could do the following > > > >>> > > > >>> - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some > > organisation > > > >>> around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives > > etc. > > > >>> This > > > >>> could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter, just > > > even > > > >>> setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great > > > achievement > > > >>> - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some > simple > > > >>> things > > > >>> like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to > > ensure > > > >>> every > > > >>> new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism > etc. > > > >>> Basically, > > > >>> just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage > with > > > new > > > >>> folks > > > >>> in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no > > reason > > > >>> why a > > > >>> number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month > > > period > > > >>> if > > > >>> this is done right. > > > >>> - Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing pool > > of > > > >>> open > > > >>> data being released. To make full use of it is going to > require a > > > >>> signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising, > > > >>> prioritising, > > > >>> tools and import process). > > > >>> - Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example > doing > > a > > > 1 > > > >>> month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors > > using > > > >>> Osmi or > > > >>> keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland > > > mapping > > > >>> project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could > have a > > > >>> real, > > > >>> lasting impact on the map > > > >>> - Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This > doesn't > > > need > > > >>> to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would > likely > > > be > > > >>> one > > > >>> day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference going > > > within > > > >>> 2 > > > >>> years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference etc). > > > >>> There's > > > >>> enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and > > academic > > > >>> folks > > > >>> that is easily within reach. > > > >>> - Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the biggest > > > >>> > > > >>> population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a > > > location > > > >>> outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a night > > away > > > >>> where > > > >>> we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit the > > > ground > > > >>> in a > > > >>> town and get every street name, address, business and > attraction > > > all > > > >>> in one > > > >>> day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few > > drinks. > > > >>> > > > >>> In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to > > work > > > on > > > >>> them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the > bag > > > and > > > >>> to avoid burnout. > > > >>> > > > >>> Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think OSM > > > >>> Ireland > > > >>> should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally > > fine. > > > >>> It's > > > >>> kind of the point of this email :) > > > >>> > > > >>> With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am > > > proposing > > > >>> is > > > >>> the following > > > >>> > > > >>> 1. A meeting in early Sept (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will come > > > >>> together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM > Ireland. > > > >>> Note, > > > >>> this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the structure > > > and, > > > >>> most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g. > > research > > > >>> whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal > > > >>> requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc > > > >>> > > > >>> 2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the > structure > > is > > > >>> locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if > required > > > at > > > >>> this point. Again, some people would need to agree to take on some > > > tasks > > > >>> to > > > >>> keep the process moving. > > > >>> > > > >>> 3. A third meeting in Nov and a fourth in Dec, to lock down any > last > > > >>> elements. At this point we would need to agree a provisional board > > > >>> probably, to allow for paperwork to proceed for banks, govt. etc. > > Note, > > > >>> this board would step down at the first general meeting of OSM > > Ireland > > > and > > > >>> elections would be held at that first meeting. > > > >>> > > > >>> 4. Jan, get all the paperwork sent to whoever > > > >>> > > > >>> 5. TBD, once paperwork is approved by relevant bodies, agenda for > > first > > > >>> general meeting to be determined and election process to begin > > > >>> > > > >>> There you go. With a bit of luck, before the next round of green > > > >>> milkshakes > > > >>> hits McDonalds, we would be a formal entity and we could start > > talking > > > >>> about moving to the next stage, which would be completing the OSMF > > > chapter > > > >>> application, not to mention any other objectives we might have. > > > >>> > > > >>> So, who's in? > > > >>> > > > >>> Dave > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> Talk-ie mailing list > > > >>> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > > >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Talk-ie mailing list > > > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Talk-ie mailing list > > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
