Kevin, Maybe we have different contexts? In my area, we have privately owned roads <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/11475986> that are more than just driveways.
Regarding: "*don't worry about it*" I find this dissatisfying. The *sole purpose* of routing is to get the user to their destination without breaking any laws. These are also *specifically my* *goals *when I'm using a router. Frequently (in my rural area) getting to my destination requires using a privately owned road. You might say "access=private" isn't a problem because I can tell my router to ignore "access=private". But I don't want to go down any roads that say "Stay out" and have a gate, or a person brandishing a rifle. When every privately owned road is marked as access=private, it is not possible for me to achieve both of those goals (get there, don't break laws) at the same time. By encouraging routers to ignore "access=private" you're neutering real access restrictions. So, you're either saying *don't worry about* breaking laws, or *don't worry about* getting to your destination That is my argument *against access=private* on privately owned roads. My argument *for ownership=private* is to set a clear and visible precedent that private ownership *has a tag*, which *is not the access tag.* -Alex On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 11:49 PM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:05 PM Mike Thompson <miketh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > - The access -- somewhat common to find a pubic road imported with > access=private, so if I suspect this I'll leave the tiger:reviewed=no tag > until access can be confirmed, and add a note or fixme. (It's also quite > common to find driveways imported as access=private. When surveying, I tend > to remove the private tag if the driveway isn't gated or signed private, > since access=private will prevent routing to the house at the end of the > driveway, sometimes even ending the route on a different residential road > that's physically closer to the house than the road the driveway's > connected to.) > > I always thought that driveways to private residences and private roads > (whether gated or not) should be tagged as access=private. Often these > private roads are posted with a sign that says something like "Private > road, no trespassing", or "Private Road, Residents and Guests Only." > > One thing to watch out for in the countryside is that there are often > streets signed 'Xxx Drive // PRIVATE' meaning that the road is > privately maintained, rather than meaning 'no trespassing.' > > But here I think that the importance of the distinction is overblown. > I strongly suspect: > > (1) People don't ordinarily want to be routed down these > privately-maintained roads (which are usually, in effect, driveways > that happen to serve more than one establishment) unless they have > business with some establishment on the road. > (2) Delivery drivers use routers that allow for access to private > drives to deliver to the associated residence. (In effect, the person > who ordered the goods for delivery has issued an invitation to the > carrier.) > > and hence, the public/private distinction for service ways falls in my > mental model under, 'don't worry about it.' > > -- > 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >
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