On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:
> Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: > > Can we finally fix two other longstanding problems, then? > > > > 1. The wiki being incorrect about not counting bicycle lanes. That's > not reflective of how validators deal with lanes, how data consumers like > Osmand or Magic Earth deal with lanes, or how ground truth works. The > whole "but you can't fit a motor vehicle down it" argument is facile, > that's what access:lanes=* and width:lanes=* is for. > > If it truly is the wiki that needs fixing, I'm all for fixing the wiki > here. Is there some reason the relatively low bar of making a change to > the wiki hasn't been done yet? > Proscriptivists end up changing it back and screaming that their word is gospel, so everyone's just given up at this point. > > 2. Tagging route information on ways. It's about a decade too long at > this point for ref=* on a way to be completely disconnected from the entity > the tag applies to: That's why route relations exist. Biggest problem > child on this at the moment: OSM's own tilesets. Let's drop rendering for > ref=* on ways and just render the route relations already, this and > multipolygons are why relations came to exist in the first place. > > Yes, 100% agreement. I think this is simply pure inertia (the kind that > says "broken process") on the part of renderers. > > Can anybody (renderer authors included, maybe even especially) are welcome > to offer reasons why "the old machinery" remains in place? Are there > legacy use cases that remain unclear to the wider community? Please tell > us here, if so. > > While I still find murky and mysterious exactly "how" to effect change in > renderers (who you gonna call?), my two best efforts along these lines are > to "tag well" and "wiki well." (And that can include a great deal of > discussion and consensus building on its own, no doubt). Eventually, (and > I've discovered it can take years), renderers do catch up. > To be clear, I don't want to throw any humans under the bus on this, since the Carto folks really do make an elegant style for Mapnik. Though if this is a Mapnik issue that's preventing this, maybe it's time to either fix Mapnik or consider alternatives?
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