On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:22 PM Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 24/09/2020 00:00, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:56 PM Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 23/09/2020 23:01, Paul Johnson wrote:
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>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 4:37 PM stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:
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>>> Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote:
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>> > 2. Tagging route information on ways.  It's about a decade too long at
>>> this point for ref=* on a way to be completely disconnected from the entity
>>> the tag applies to:  That's why route relations exist.  Biggest problem
>>> child on this at the moment:  OSM's own tilesets.  Let's drop rendering for
>>> ref=* on ways and just render the route relations already, this and
>>> multipolygons are why relations came to exist in the first place.
>>>
>>> Yes, 100% agreement.  I think this is simply pure inertia (the kind that
>>> says "broken process") on the part of renderers.
>>>
>>> Can anybody (renderer authors included, maybe even especially) are
>>> welcome to offer reasons why "the old machinery" remains in place?  Are
>>> there legacy use cases that remain unclear to the wider community?  Please
>>> tell us here, if so.
>>>
>> The US is unusual in that it doesn't have a single ref per section of
>> road.  Most places in OSM map what they see on the ground, and the current
>> OSM Carto rendering works just fine for them
>>
> Right up until there's more than one kind of route on the way.
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> No-one's disputing that this is a major problem for mappers in the US -
> I'm just saying that it's really not a major problem in most other places.
> That doesn't make it any less of a problem in the US but does help to
> explain why people elsewhere seem not to see it as a problem.
>
I don't mean just route=road, literally any other route.
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