Hi Again David: i have done some scripting for WindowEyes in the past and found it a most painful experience compared to working in a Full blown Programming Language. I have created scripts for Visual Studio and even a script, app, to automatically convert all UI text elements of any script into any foreign language supported by Microsoft. I have built both VbScripts and External Scripts but as mentioned found the experience both frustrating and painfully slow including the process of analyzing third party dom models for scripting. I can either do programming in my chosen platform and get real work done or spend the time slogging through creating a script to fix a weakness or problem(s) with WindowEyes. I don't expect WindowEyes to be perfect but at least have the features and performance of its competition and especially those of the free screen readers out there. You know I have some experience, been on the scripting list for what 10 years now, so your suggestion is almost an insult to me knowing full well I could script something if I had the time and needed to do it. I really don't have the time since I am deep into a project that involves a huge platform, very complex technicals including parallel processing, database design testing and implementation, dynamically allocated plug-ins, dynamic UI elements, Task Management, external processes, and a host of other lengthly and complicated cutting edge materials not to mention thousands and thousands of lines of code that needs to be brought up to date, streamlined and documented to modern standards. Now, if you want to take over this project I will take a few weeks off and create a script or 2 in vb script or another WindowEyes language to change the pitch of capital letters and perhaps fix a couple of other problems. Then, if they didn't impact performance negatively I could even send you a copy for your personal use - what do you think? Rick USA -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 10:39 AM To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'gosselin_louis'; 'Chris Grabowski' Subject: Re: Caps Pitch Control
Rick, Sorry. But if you don't want VBScripts, for whatever reason, remember that you can use any other Com-supporting scripting language for scripting WE. You state you are doing computer development, so should not be much for you to script what you want. The CapBeeper script - I do believe - even is open sourced, so you could easily look at how they have solved the issue, and transfer it into a scripting system you would so greatly accept. If you just get yourself around it, it should be no trouble to make whatever pitch change you want. It even may be possible to change the actual Eloquence voice, that would be used for the capitals. I just don't see what you expect to accomplish. If you are a developer, then develop your script the way you want it. If you don't, then stick with what apps are available. What in the world is so wrong with a tiny VBScript, only a few lines long? And if none of that serves, then I could suggest to install the GWAudiokit app, and script something that would make use of it, since that will let you adjust the volume of any beeping sounds your app is going to make. Sorry, but there is not much other to provide you at this moment. If you want further scripting discussion, please take the issue to the Scripting list. You there might be able to pick up some good advice. Yet, they likely will ask you to start out with the CapBeeper anyway, if for nothing else, then at least to learn what is included. I am sure, several of the developers of apps for WE would like to help you out. But most of us are doing VBScripting, and you so thouroughly have made it clear that you don't want VBScripts. In effect, you have blocked many of us from offering to compile something that could have helpd you out. Again, I do not want to argue you. Simply just trying to point out to you, that you have been provided all current solutions. None of that served you, and I do understand that it would be great had WE offered some further settings in this regard. Hopefully AISquared could put that on the wishlist for furture releases. Meanwhile, if you want someone to assist with a script for the feature you are asking, take it to the Scripting list, and likely accept VBScripts. If you want, go ahead and construct your own script for the job. Inside an app, it is absolutely not difficult to adjust the pitch, of any voice that supports pitching. Eloquence is good in that regard, and like I said, you can even use one of the alternative Eloquence voices (like Sandy) for the purpose. It will provide a clearly distinct voice for the job. You then let it act upon any capital letter that is about to be spoken. In basic, what the CapBeeper is doing, just you change the voice instead of beeping. All of that is far too techie for this list, so go to the Scripting list for more details. Hope you get a solution that serves your needs. David On 3/6/2015 4:18 PM, Rick Thomas via Talk wrote: > Hi Louis: You are right about individual letters being more and less > recognizible as caps via pitch in WindowEyes. > I am not sure if the cap pitch is a standard feature of a synth but I know > both jaws and NVDA have settings to adjust the cap pitch up or down. > They also have 0 lag time for this feature as far as I can tell. > I am currently using the beeper visual basic script developed by some user > who also likely had this problem with WindowEyes. > It is not a good solution but the best work-around for this WindowEyes > problem I have found so far. > There might be a way to script an actual pitch change but I really don't > like using let alone createing visual basic scripts to run on something I > want to be as high performing as my screen reader. > So unless Aaron and the guys get around to adding this to match NVDA and > JAWS features we areSOL. > Just use the beeper app and have allot of tylenol on hand. > If I can turn the volume downon the beep it might be ok but I sure don't > look forward to 10 hours a day of that noise while trying to do computer > design, programming and testing debugging while using camel casing variables > and objects. > So that is the state of affairs as I find them so far. > I have other options for programming and have been using them in place of > WindowEyes more and more over the past year or so. > I had hoped for this and some other performance enhancements in the 9.1 > release but it seems this feature was passed over by the AI Squared staff. > Rick USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: gosselin_louis [mailto:gosselin_lo...@myfairpoint.net] > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 9:44 AM > To: 'Rick Thomas'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Chris Grabowski' > Subject: RE: Caps Pitch Control > > I, too, have found that the elevation of the voice pitch was unsatisfactory, > but it's also true that the elevation of the pitch seems to depend on which > letter is the one capitalized. I'm sure that somewhere in the lines of > code that controls the synthesizer, there has to have been a parameter that > causes the pitch to shift, so it has to be possible to change that > parameter. Perhaps it would take the owners of Eloquence to do it, but I'm > betting it wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to accomplish it. Do you > think it might be worth writing to them? Maybe there's even something the > end-user might access with some direction from the company. You never know > for sure unless you ask. > > Louis Gosselin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint....@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 9:12 AM > To: 'Chris Grabowski'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Caps Pitch Control > > Hi Chris: OK so WindowEyes cant set the cap pitch as can other screen > readers. > This is not a good thing. > I will try the beeper script but I don't like running ever more and more vb > scripts just to have basic screen reader functions available. > I will let you know how it turns out. > Rick USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Grabowski [mailto:cgrabow...@aisquared.com] > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 8:50 AM > To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Caps Pitch Control > > Hi Rick, > > It is not possible to change the level of pitch for capital letters. > > We offer the 60 day evaluation version so people can have access to > everything Window-eyes has to offer, including the premium synthesizers. > > If the pitch change isn't enough, perhaps installing the third party cap > beeper app. > > https://www.gwmicro.com/App_Central/Apps/Download/?scriptid=1216 > > This makes a beep when you move across a capital letter. You can even use > a different sound if you don't like the beep the author included. > > Thanks, > Chris > > > Window-Eyes Product Support > Ai Squared > 725 Airport North Office Park > Fort Wayne, IN 46825 > (802) 362-3612 > www.aisquared.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared....@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 8:02 AM > To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: Caps Pitch Control > > Hi Steve: There should be a way to control the pitch change for capital > letters me thinks. > > I havent found it in WindowEyes Settings yet though. > > Some speech operations are still slightly sluggish even with Eloquence which > I have to attribute to WindowEyes itself from past experience. > > That said I am asking about how to improve the speech settings including the > pitch change for capitalization - I am pretty sure that is doable but not > sure WindowEyes has a setting to do it, we will see. > > I just dropped 40 bucks to get Eloquence so I hope WindowEyes takes > advantage of its feature set. > > The slight lag times are annoying but not so bad that I will dump WindowEyes > all be it I am disapointed so far with WindowEyes performance with a hot > synth like Eloquence. > > But, as mentioned, I will ask on list how to tweak settings to see if I can > get things working well enough to not be a constant hassle using WindowEyes. > > Wish I could have given WindowEyes and Eloquence a glowing congratulations > out of the box but it is what it is. > > Rick USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/cgrabowski%40a > isquared.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/gosselin_louis > %40myfairpoint.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%4 0hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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