You really are clueless. Spite doesn't have a thing to do with it, logic does. I needed the keys from them to make it work, no where else to get them. I just love it when people comment on something they don't know anything about. BTW, been doing this stuff since 1983, so if there had been another way, I'd have done it. Why should I reward a cpompany for this lack of support, or a company that cost gw micro a fortune in a law sute.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.

On Tue, 18 Oct 2016, Nick Sarames wrote:

I'm sure  if you really wanted to, you'd've found other ways to get
help.  If spite is more important, then one really doesn't need assistance.

On 10/17/2016 9:20 AM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
My opinion only, but I won't be buying jaws or any of their products.  I
don't recall what the thing was even called, but was a portable device
put out by freedom that did everything, e-mail, gps and so forth.  The v
a bought a friend of mine a new one so he gave me his old unit, about
three thousand dollars worth of stuff.  He had let the batteries run
down, so the thing lost all its marbles, meeded reset.  I called
freedom's "customer support"  and they wouldn't help me at all as I
wasn't the original purchaser.  My friend contacted them and they
wouldn't help him either as he hadn't actually purchased the product.
It was bought by the v a and the person who signed the purchase order
wasn't with them any more.  After explaining all of this to their
"customer service" department, they still refused to help.  I threw the
stuff in the dumpster, three grand worth of stuff totally worthless,
because they wouldn't support their product.   Just my little story.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


 On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:

VFO is basically a creation of Freedom Scientific: with all of its
shoddy practices built in.



Vaughan.




On 10/16/2016 3:26 AM, Kenneth Son via Talk wrote:
 Hello list.

 I don't think any comments sent to the vfo people will do much good.

 Personally,I hope Microsoft Narater becomes so perfected that it
puts the
 other screen reader into the useless category.

 That would make Narrater the main screen reader just as Voiceover is
for
 the Apple products.

 Probably that's how it should be any way.

 The possibility of Window Eyes being phased out just makes my heart
sick.

 Having to change over to something else andlearn all those commands and
 other things just seems a little to much of a chalange at this age.

 Something is just a little funny about this whole thing.

 Kenneth Son.



 On 10/15/2016 06:46, John Farley via Talk wrote:
 Hello list,
 I have now sent a note to VFO via their contact us facility on
their web
 site.
 It was interesting to find that in their list of products that
they will
 take note of Window-Eyes does not exist!
 I had to use JAWS and then tell them I was talking about
Window-Eyes in >  my
 comments.
 Regards, John
 Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243
 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Talk

[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com] >
On
 Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
 Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:51 PM
 To: darren harris; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: is this definite? was RE: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
 No official word yet.  If you want to make sure Window-eyes stays
 around, please write to the VFO folks and let them know that you
expect
 the same type of customer service and great products as you did
when ai
 squared was around. This will let them know you care about the
product
 and that you are a loyal user.
 On 10/14/2016 4:17 PM, darren harris via Talk wrote:
 Hi all,
 Is this actual policy or are people just panicking? Is
wineyes going > >  to be
 fazed out?
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Talk

[mailto:talk-bounces+darren_g_harris=btinternet....@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On Behalf Of Samuel Wilkins via Talk
 Sent: 14 October 2016 20:28
 To: bj colt via Talk
 Subject: The Phasing Out of Window-Eyes
 Hello John,
 I have been drafting a letter to VFO because, as you know,
there is
 speculation that Window-Eyes is going to be phased out.  If it
is, I > >  am
 not switching to Jaws, because I won't be able to afford it,
amongst
 other reasons.  However, in my letter, I have pointed out that if
 Window-Eyes goes, it provides a significant problem for blind
people
 wanting to get into work, as not everyone has an access to work
fund.
 Moreover, one of the few ways we can work, especially for younger
 people, is volunteering, and there, we may be in a crisis, as IT
 technicians are paranoid about NVDA, since it is open source,
and they
 think it could contain a virus or compromise security in another
way.
 We would be in limbo, as they won't want NVDA, and they won't
pay for
 Jaws, as Access to Work won't pay for equipment for unpaid work,
so > >  you
 would have to buy a license for every computer you use out of
your own
 pocket.  What do you think?  Also, I have heard that they are >
 developing
 both Magic and ZoomText.  How come they are doing that, but
phasing > >  out
 Window-Eyes?  To me, this is a case of double standards.
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