Hi Butch: I was interested in what you had to say about IPads and IPhones and stuff like that. I have had an IPhone for just over two years and, like you, I used to be totally lost when it came to anything with a touch screen. In fact, I can find my way around my IPhone quite well, or, at least, well enough for my purposes. I must admit that I use Sery, the voice assistent and I use a bluetooth keyboard to get from one app to another, and when you open up an app. Most apps are menu driven, so I have gotten used to it. This is not to say that you should get an IPhone or anything, I agree with you that you shouldn't have todo what other blind people are doing,. I just wanted to let you know that it may be easier than you think to use an idevice. Kevin Huber
On 4/4/17, Butch Bussen via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the like, > touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make sense to > me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand is that it > isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. But, it is the > same old attitude I have seen among the blind for years. Everybody > should use what I use and my way is the only way. I have an I pod touch > 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Tue, > 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: > >> Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to learn. >> reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn it on >> turn >> on voice over and have fun. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Don H via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM >> To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> >> Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad and a >> Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile versions >> of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been considering >> purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it is >> really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been using >> NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on some web >> pages. >> >> On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >>> Tony, >>> >>> I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more during the >>> past >>> year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all of what >>> I >>> feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS users felt >>> that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both JAWS and >>> Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while NVDA did not >>> work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself frustrated >>> there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, particularly >>> web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our access on all >>> platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched to the MAC >>> and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have switched >>> back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to inconsistent or >>> poor >>> web browser support. People I have talked to who work on accessibility >>> have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to be >>> tested with all combinations of screen readers and web browsers to know >>> if >>> the page will work. There is often even browser-specific code in web >>> sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for example, >>> that >>> Netflix is running different code when you access the very same page >>> with >>> a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it very hard to >>> determine where problems exist. >>> >>> I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Talk >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi....@lists.window-eyes.com] On >>> Behalf Of Tony C via Talk >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >>> Subject: Windows screen readers >>> >>> Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a Jaws user >>> for >>> several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and I’ve >>> been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime someone >>> can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix the >>> first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that II a >>> person >>> can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can use netflix >>> with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in screen reader >>> as >>> opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t use >>> Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people have told me >>> it >>> isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I phone or my I >>> Pad Mini and use netflix with the free screen reader? I mean I don’t get >>> it, support at both Jaws and WE have said it isn’t accessible and they >>> can’t make their screenreaders work with it, but IOS does??? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/steve.jacobson%40visi.com. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/lmddh50%40comcast.net. >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tch828%40mediacombb.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author >> and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/butchb%40shellworld.net. >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/huber.kevin7%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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